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From: CrazyEye

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80523.11 in reply to 80523.10
Date: 3/11/2009 7:47:08 AM
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If above the price range listings give no alarm then it's really easy to take advantage of it with multiple accounts. Cheaters are not stupid they will not make really obvious moves like 5mil. If they can monitor bids total while TL on a player then you can easily see is the transfered player at a correct price. If the player get's transfer listed 2x over his price range and get's one bid then it does not matter is the bidder a nub or a cheater he should get punished for it. The lister money fine the bidder loses out cash anyway making the transfer.


the think was that a cheater have no reason to start it high, and report it at best with the skills and the price(makes it a bit easier to the gm's), and the y do what they should do ;)

But with the high amount of "expensive" Pm, and the change that they get a bid i believe your strategy won't bring anything instead of a lot of work.

Edit: my point was, that there is no reason to punish someone for expensive prices, and it make no sense for a cheater to start high because he can bid high prices also on player with low starting bid.

And so it is just additional work for the gm, to follow all auctions with a high starting price, where 95% wasn't sold and from the last 5% they get hopefully a lot reports.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 3/11/2009 10:39:19 AM

From: Kukoc

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Date: 3/11/2009 7:57:20 AM
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I am really having trouble understanding your english...

From: CrazyEye

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I am really having trouble understanding your english...


and i having trouble to formulate this ;) Maybe i rewrite it in half an hour^^

From: Kukoc

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k:)

From: docend24

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Date: 3/11/2009 9:57:02 AM
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Well, the value changes dramatically throughout the season so I think it wouldn't be wise to make a hard line of what is right is what is not. For example I bought a player for 1K at the start of previous season. Right before the playoffs his estimated value was up to 150K. If I would offer him for 150K right after I bought him what would you say? (of course he wouldn't been sold in this case but that doesn't matter)

I think we have suggestion board btw.

From: Kukoc

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Date: 3/11/2009 10:11:34 AM
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I know there is a suggestion board. But this case is about getting to know how the GM-s work with transfers atm in case of high starting price, after which the player got sold with no reporting of the transfer from any other user.

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 3/11/2009 10:40:05 AM
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I am really having trouble understanding your english...


(80523.11)

I posted a second version under i, i hope it is better to understand.

From: Kukoc

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Date: 3/11/2009 10:54:40 AM
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Now I understood your point. But as I stated if the player that got sold changed the range of the player immediately from 30k-70k to 30k-600k then the GM can not determine the above the normal price sale. If it does not change the range then there is no problem. But I have seen ranges 50k-850k on my old SF so I am pretty sure that a few high sales will give cheaters a lot more room to play with. So basically raise the range with a few expendable accounts (that might get reported) and then go for a "legit" sale with his main account and another farm account.

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 3/11/2009 11:05:31 AM
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is i very hard to find player with the same profil, because little differents give a player another comparisation.

So he must make a connection in buying this from one of the "expendable" accounts, iin buying a player from them and sell them right after for a high price ... And don't forget, the gm don't make guarantees that a job is done in 2 days. So the next sale could be caught because, he raised the transfer estimation.

I believe the most effective way for cheaters is to raise the price in the last minute, so that only few people see the skill and the too high price. Thats easier and faster then your way.

PS: One time the BB checked a player of mine,because he has a silly high transfer estimation - and maybe they caught some cheaters that way.

From: Jokehim
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Date: 3/11/2009 11:40:35 AM
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As salary pretty much explains the capacity of a player there could be an upper roof for the listing price depending on salary (and then the salary if it was updated today of course and not the salary at start of season), potential and age. I am not saying that I favor such system but I think that it would be possible to implement without being too complicated. By having no upper limit for players with a salary fo $10000 you really would only stop ridiculous starting prices for poor to half-decent players and not the more difficult price ranges as it will be for high salary players.

But I have not got the signals from BB that there is a big problem of managers trying to sell players for clear overprices. In fact I think that it is the buyers transfer market and that it must be hard to daytrade in BB. My half-decent drafts gives me no money at all for instance.

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Date: 3/11/2009 11:52:13 AM
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I know there is a suggestion board. But this case is about getting to know how the GM-s work with transfers atm in case of high starting price


I do not think it is a good practice to reveal the tools we have at our disposal. If all the users know what we can do, it will be easier to work around it.

My suggestion is to report whatever you think is illegal. Also, provide as much information about the case as possible. The more work I have to do to figure out what you mean, the less cases I can work on. Player ids, team ids and even the skills of players involved in high price transfers are all helpful information.

PS Just because it is clear to you that a punishment is in order does not mean it will be processed right away. It can take time to review a case and we want to make sure that we make the right decision.

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