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pretty good idea :)

As a devils advocate I can see one problem with this. If one of these international league teams' country becomes big enough for it's own league, you will have greatly unbalanced teams in the 'start up' year. Some new teams, some that have been around a while. If lack of competition is a large cause of small countries not getting new users, think what it would be like if you were thrown in a new league as a new player, and you have powerhouse teams to contend with, 3 or more seasons deep.

I do like the idea, but the start-up imbalance would potentially be insurmountable

The start-up will be like the start-up of any other national league was. Of course, it might be unbalanced but... in the long run, it will become balanced. Teams on the top, will be there because they deserve it. The idea is to give the most approximate experience to a national competition, instead of "beat the bots" league. So yeah, it might be unbalanced in the beginning. But I don't see how that is a reason not to do it. The BB economy was unbalanced at the beginning, but they still went forward with it. And that was, a much bigger issue than this one. You gotta start somewhere.

Last edited by the L train at 5/19/2009 6:05:56 PM

I guess my point is that if 'beat the bots' is boring, how boring will it be to lose 110-50 6 or 8 times a season. I am not saying this makes it a bad suggestion, just one factor to look at when thinking of change.

that's pretty much a normal thing now... if you start fresh in a country you'll have teams that are much better than you even in your division... so it will be the same for them... If the country is added to the BB countries when the number of active teams is big enough to fill up the 1. division, the new teams would be in second division and compete against similar teams... it's never easy for a new team but I don't think the difference between old and new teams would play a big role

btw, I'm all for the international league idea... way better than the current 7 active teams countries

That's why you should read all posts carefully before posting. In my second post i wrote:

You could remove a country, under two conditions. First one, if you were absolutely sure it would help bring more players to the game. And second, if you had the approval of all active players in that country. Just to make sure they are all about tactical competition and love a good challenge.

Because, I first thought of this, only for the countries not yet officially on BB. And if you are about a good challenge, you'll just learn your lessons and continue to develop your team. But as I said, in a while, things will get more balanced. And I highly doubt, the differences would be that big. That's like talking on the difference between a 4th division and a 1st division teams, which doesn't exist on a country with few users. They hardly fill one division. Until now, they've all been under the same circumstances. Or slightly but not significant differences.

Last edited by the L train at 5/19/2009 6:32:05 PM

I guess my point is that if 'beat the bots' is boring, how boring will it be to lose 110-50 6 or 8 times a season. I am not saying this makes it a bad suggestion, just one factor to look at when thinking of change.

if you now start in a small country, you will play against experienced users too and will have the 110-50 looses or wins against bot.

But with the suggestion with the international leagues, you could start in some of then with a balanced competion, mayybe you get back when they make it to a only "small country" league, but this handicap you would have in the old system too.

That's why you should read all posts carefully before posting. In my second post i wrote:

You could remove a country, under two conditions. First one, if you were absolutely sure it would help bring more players to the game. And second, if you had the approval of all active players in that country. Just to make sure they are all about tactical competition and love a good challenge.

I read the entire post, end to end. I responded to the concept. We dont see this imbalance yet in Malta or Pakistan yet, but eventually we would yes. Where did I say something that disputes your second post? I feel there is a difference between adding a new team here and there to say Japan than there is between putting 6 teams that have been playing 5 seasons in with 10 brand new teams. Sure this ends up happenening in some of the leagues that dont grow, and it was my belief that this is the problem, imbalance in the smallest countries. It is my belief that this may actually compound this particular problem. If you only want people to respond who agree with your suggestion than I apologize. Assuming I didnt read your post because I dont agree with it is nothing more than a pot shot.



Last edited by Heathcoat at 5/19/2009 7:57:18 PM

Incorrect. Japan could never be a part of this "international league". Japan has always a full league always active. I'm talking about Lebanon, Malta, Pakistan. Plus, some others that might have slipped me since I'm certain these are not the only ones. No actual difference between the teams in these countries. But, I agree with the 10 new teams argument but that isn't different from any other league and as I said, there would be a consolidation period. As there were, for all other leagues. That's why, the approval of all the teams in question would be necessary. If they don't accept it, just do it for the countries not yet official. Easy. All new teams, no problem in there. It would be just a league in it's beginning, nothing out of the ordinary there.

And in my opinion, competition leads teams to get good. Lack of competition, leads to stagnation. No need to improve your team to win, no change. And that's the true difference between any other league and these particular leagues.

Does this answer pleases you more? Because, two other people said the same to you. Instead of replying, you decided to make assumptions about my ego.

Last edited by the L train at 5/19/2009 8:28:13 PM

Not trying to be pleased just promoting discussion. Whenever I look at a new change I try to find drawbacks or problems. It is a safe bet that the benefit of a new suggestion has allready been considered, but perhaps the negative, if there is one, may not have. I used the example of Japan because I was thinking of the post a few months ago by Superfly Guy where he said something to the effect of 'I am begging for a little competition' or something similar.

I think it is a great suggestion, especially for the very active teams in the smallest countries, to help them get some good games going. My response was concerning how much it would help new players in established smaller leagues (whether country or int'l) be excited to stay and help promote growth in smaller countries, but perhaps that is not the problem you are suggesting we solve with this, or perhaps I am wrong.

Yes two people jumped on me the same as you but I dont count CrazyEye as he always disagrees with me on everything anyway :)