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9797.11 in reply to 9797.6
Date: 12/12/2007 4:19:47 PM
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Well then the problem doesn't lie with the after effects of CT and TIE. It's more the term 'Enthusiasm'.

Change the name 'Enthusiasm' to something that's more related to TIE and CT. Make it like a factor that effects your gameshape or performance. You can even make it % wise.

Example:
100% = neutral
play a TIE and it drops 10% for that game and rises the next games by 5%.
Play a CT and it raises 10% for that game. And drops 30% for the next games.

There is no link between the terms 'CT/TIE' and 'Enthusiasm'.

Edited by Riceball (12/12/2007 4:25:36 PM CET)

Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 12/12/2007 4:25:36 PM

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9797.12 in reply to 9797.9
Date: 12/12/2007 4:45:08 PM
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The current use of enthusiasm seems unreleastic. Do coaches regularly tell their teams to go out and take it easy cause the opponent is weak or because the game doesn't matter? Mostly, there just seems to be so much enthusiasm posturing that it affects having competitive games.

Though, I'm interested in seeing how the upcoming changes play out.

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9797.14 in reply to 9797.13
Date: 12/12/2007 5:15:38 PM
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Yes, for 1 game, but not with the % i just suggested though. That was just an example.

It's realistic to save energy on one game to perform better on the next game. Saving energy on 4 games in a row to perform well on one particular game isn't. There has to be some kind of limit on how much you can preserve.

Edited by Riceball (12/12/2007 5:18:00 PM CET)

Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 12/12/2007 5:18:00 PM

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9797.15 in reply to 9797.14
Date: 12/12/2007 5:56:48 PM
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I would add that if you TIE, you should take a training hit as well.

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9797.16 in reply to 9797.15
Date: 12/12/2007 7:45:16 PM
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I really think the current system is working well and there is no need for making more negatives to using TIE than there already is.

If you have a good team TIE is absolutely about strategy especially in the top leagues.

I am winning games playing TIE consistently. Only when I face extreme opposition (for example the final of the Tournament) will I put Normal or CT. I lose very infrequently and do not need to play normal to beat the majority of other teams.

From what I can gather the effect of Enthusiasm on games will decrease which means that playing TIE in the long term will be less effective and you will just lose the games. Enthusiasm will also drop faster which makes it worse because not only will it be less important it will become impossible to win playing TIE and it will only last a short time.

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9797.17 in reply to 9797.16
Date: 12/12/2007 7:55:24 PM
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The thing that bugs me about the entusiasm system as it is now, is that it reduces the play-offs into something resembling a game of rock-paper-scissor.

When planning a play-off run, team strength and tactical decisions take a back seat to enthusiasm management. You basically know that TIE will lose to normal, normal will lose to CT, and CT will lose you your next game. Thus it becomes guessing what the other team will throw out and trying to beat it.

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9797.18 in reply to 9797.17
Date: 12/12/2007 7:59:29 PM
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That is strategy then isn't it?

You are guessing what strategy your opponent is using.

And I will just clarify one thing TIE can and does beat Normal if you have high enough Enthusiasm. And it can beat CT if the opposition doesn't have high enthusiasm.

There are a lot of factors in this game. Enthusiasm is just one of them. If I play TIE and expect to win I have to use tactical guesses.

Half the trick of winning is to fool your opposition into using the wrong defense and guess what they are planning to use for offense.

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From: JayP

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9797.19 in reply to 9797.18
Date: 12/12/2007 8:24:06 PM
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I never said it wasn't strategy, just that it mattered too much and rendered other aspects of the game moot.

And yes, the relationships do not always hold, but I was speaking of a relatively competetive conference where teams are roughly equal.

Half the trick of winning is to fool your opposition into using the wrong defense and guess what they are planning to use for offense.


Not if the other team CT's and you normal (assuming both teams are near similar to each other) unless you already had a lot of enthusiasm built up you will lose 99% of the time regardless of offensive or defensive tactics.

From: Shay

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9797.20 in reply to 9797.18
Date: 12/12/2007 8:38:14 PM
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TIE and CT is a ****** System. for example:
i just won in the tournament sami-finals... against a Very strong team than in order to win i played CT, and now in the finals im playing againt a weaker team than me' but they will probably win because even if i use CT my enthusiasm is only 2... so basicly no matter what option i would have chosen(go normal in the sami-finals and loss or go CT and lose the finals...) i GOT ******.

EDIT: Watch your language

Edited by GM-JuicePats (12/12/2007 8:41:49 PM CET)

Last edited by Shay at 12/12/2007 8:41:49 PM

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From: JayP

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9797.21 in reply to 9797.20
Date: 12/12/2007 8:53:28 PM
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Umm, i wouldn't say that losing to a better team means you got screwed. I would think you would be happy because it seems you went one round further than you should have thanks to the enthusiasm system.

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