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109310.110 in reply to 109310.108
Date: 9/10/2009 9:45:20 AM
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And what about seeing if they are being trained or talk to them to know their plans?
Imagine that I start the season and I select a player that is above all the others. The time passes and at the midle of the season, all the other players have passed this one, because they were being trained. Or he is being trained but his gameshape is extremely low. I would have lost one spot, because I wasn't informed about the player's plan.
The point is, we need to talk a lot with the players in order to have a good team. And that's a thing we will surely do.


Now give some time to answer you about the group


wow very interesting, i havent seen any off the other candidates say exactly the samething. or perhaps I have?

ps sorry guys I couldnt leave it, I will be quiet again and answer happily any questions that the english community have with regards to the U21 team...

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Date: 9/10/2009 9:47:07 AM
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The only thing you said was what I posted in the post before this one.


And how will you manage to answer all the bb-mails all by yourself?

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Date: 9/10/2009 9:56:16 AM
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We will be scouting every league in England and major leagues in other countries.
Are you sure about that? explain your machine and I will talk about our machine.


Dude there is nothing secret here. It's all plain obvious. We don't have scouting limitations to "major leagues" in "other countries". We don't miss players. The amount of players worth following up is unfortunately small...

BTW, USA has a similar system in place and I bet Italy does as well...



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From: Vasco92

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Date: 9/10/2009 10:01:39 AM
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Also guys let's try to be productive. Have a look at the U21 group (Pool F) what do you think?

I know that Astragoth already answered this, but I will talk about it again.
About the group, our main goal is to gather entusiasm in the impossible games and use it against the ones we can win, but with some dificulty

21/09/2009 17:30:00 England U21 -- Deutschland U21 Impossible
28/09/2009 17:30:00 Suomi U21 -- England U21 Difficult, almost impossible
05/10/2009 17:30:00 England U21 -- Sverige U21 Impossible
12/10/2009 17:30:00 Nederland U21 -- England U21 Impossible
19/10/2009 17:30:00 Andorra U21 -- England U21 Easy
26/10/2009 17:30:00 England U21 -- Azərbaycan U21 Easy
02/11/2009 17:30:00 England U21 -- Bosna i Hercegovina U21 Very, very difficult

It will be impossible to get to the first to spots, but we will try to win as many games as we can.

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Date: 9/10/2009 10:05:20 AM
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Also guys let's try to be productive. Have a look at the U21 group (Pool F) what do you think?

I know that Astragoth already answered this, but I will talk about it again.
About the group, our main goal is to gather entusiasm in the impossible games and use it against the ones we can win, but with some dificulty

21/09/2009 17:30:00 England U21 -- Deutschland U21 Impossible
28/09/2009 17:30:00 Suomi U21 -- England U21 Difficult, almost impossible
05/10/2009 17:30:00 England U21 -- Sverige U21 Impossible
12/10/2009 17:30:00 Nederland U21 -- England U21 Impossible
19/10/2009 17:30:00 Andorra U21 -- England U21 Easy
26/10/2009 17:30:00 England U21 -- Azərbaycan U21 Easy
02/11/2009 17:30:00 England U21 -- Bosna i Hercegovina U21 Very, very difficult

It will be impossible to get to the first to spots, but we will try to win as many games as we can.


After that I have to say that the most important thing this season is work in the young players


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Date: 9/10/2009 10:05:56 AM
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We will be scouting every league in England and major leagues in other countries.
Are you sure about that? explain your machine and I will talk about our machine.


Dude there is nothing secret here. It's all plain obvious. We don't have scouting limitations to "major leagues" in "other countries". We don't miss players. The amount of players worth following up is unfortunately small...

BTW, USA has a similar system in place and I bet Italy does as well...



That's is what we are trying to change. You can have all the scouting tools available but if you can't have trained players for what do you want it?
If you keep saying that it's impossible to make users train players, England will not develop as a NT. We have been saying this since the beggining of the thread. It seems that no one is reading what we write...

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Date: 9/10/2009 10:16:37 AM
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That's is what we are trying to change. You can have all the scouting tools available but if you can't have trained players for what do you want it?
If you keep saying that it's impossible to make users train players, England will not develop as a NT. We have been saying this since the beggining of the thread. It seems that no one is reading what we write...


If you come here with a portfolio of 10 trusted farm teams, I'll be ecstatic.

You are saying you'll convinve people to train their talent in single position or sell it to someone that will.

And you'll do that with your charm?

From: dabomby
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Date: 9/10/2009 10:20:50 AM
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I think some people may have a mis-conception that the previous managers have not contacted the owners of candidates. Lets put that to rest. EVERY manager England has had, for both the Senior and U-21 NT, has contacted owners of potential players. I know that because every one of them has contacted me about at least one player in the past.

Elboss and some others have said that it's impossible to MAKE a user train a player. I have to believe this is true, as you can't force people to do much of anything unless they have a reason or the will to do it. Contacting potential managers and advising them is all well and good, but it's already been done. What else are you prepared to do since you seem to be saying more can be done?

From: Vasco92

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Date: 9/10/2009 10:26:08 AM
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I've already said that. If someone comes here and says that if I can develop a player, he will be a major help to my team, and that maybe he can go to a NT, I would surely train him. Of course not everyone thinks like me, but there's always the ones who do.

And another way to do it will be with Training Game. Many players don't want to wait 3 seasons to have his player on NT. If they see a chance of having him there, even if it is for only a game, I think they will try that. And even if they don't win, they'll go like "Wow, I've actually managed to get a great player!"

Other thing that many players aren't aware of, is that when training only one position, they'll get to the end of 2 seasons with 2 excelent players. And by selling one of them, they will get a lot of money to reinforce the other positions.

In the end of this past season, I had 2 players of 19 years. One of them was already shown here, the other was some steps behinddue to injuries. I sold the second one, and I got 750k. With that, I could easily get 2 players for my team. And their salaries were only 7 and 10k so that's not a problem

From: dabomby

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Date: 9/10/2009 10:31:46 AM
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I would still like a detailed explanation of why you feel you've got the experience to run an NT program. You've played the game a few number of seasons. You mention that you have a Portugese top division manager willing to help, but I have yet to see him respond to anything here in this thread, so I cannot form an opinion of him. I have no proof that he's even agreed to be a part of your leadership team, but I do hope you're not just trying to conjure with the name of a random top division manager. The rest of your experience is in seeing players stats (I could look at the TL, but I don't consider it relevant and neither should anyone else), and setting the lineup for one scrimmage match?

Again, I don't feel you've got the experience to run this team from a tactical standpoint. Please show me that I'm mistaken, and actually respond to my posts. I believe it's possible one or two of the replies made were intended as response to what I wrote earlier, but I'm not sure about that as they were all addressed to elboss and didn't touch on many of the points I made.

From: Vasco92

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Date: 9/10/2009 10:31:50 AM
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If you had read all we had said you weren't asking that. All the events we showed were for that. And we forgot to mention another that would be a mentor sistem. Everyone who needed help would ask for a mentor, and this mentor would helping in everything. After some time, the pupil would be ready enough to continue by it own, and a new pupil would be given to the mentor

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