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they will not be the best players,they will be the most expensive in terms of salary

thats what i understood

we don't have Wilt Chamberlain or Michael Jordan equivalents in the game yet

Sure not, people for salary reasons will stop training them.

But maybe we can have a Lebron James with a low salary(SF's will be the cheapest position to train players), when Lebron salary on NY ;) is going to be awesome.

Last edited by Marot at 3/24/2010 8:55:34 PM

thank you for this post , this clears up the majority of the issues i had with the salaries , while i still think pf/c are too expensive / too hard to train balanced compared to guards, this post clears up enough in my mind to help me sit back and watch the game evolve

this will be the start of "guards era"..

i don't get it.... very quantitatively we have increased salaries more ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS for top level players, who play on top level teams.

So for instance, a player with skills making 300K before, now makes ~330K, a 30K hike.

In contrast a player making 30K makes now ~32K a 2K hike.

So.... both in absolute terms and relative terms, we have affected upper division teams more than middle and lower division teams. It is simply untrue that we have affected lower division teams more than the upper divisions.

I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear.

Even if it is a bit off-topic I am not only complaining about the salary increase. I do understand it is on a percentage basis with top players getting a higher increase which should affect top division teams the most.

Take a look at this team from ACBB in Spain last year (please consider he just increased his arena a lot):

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/75328/arena.aspx

He filled an almost 12000 arena (top teams dwarf these numbers) at MAX prices all season while compiling an impresive 0-22 record. He sold all his top players at the beginning of the league so his fans loyalty was quite amazing as he was being whiped out every game.

A top II division team in Spain with a 22-0 record would not be able to fill the same arena at the same prices.

The diference in income from I to II division and from II to III is considerable.

The salary hikes will hurt lower division teams the most because they are already running on a tight budget. The rich will be rich but maybe you are making it a bit too easy for them.

I like that you regulate the economy on a year to year basis and I have seen changes on salaries, TV contracts, merchandising and never the arena.

Cheers!

A player's experience increases each season even untrained, right? I view the salary increase as a normal process just like in the NBA.

Since, BB teams doesn't have salary cap and the players can't be on CBA with owners, having the salary hike on a percentage basis would be the closest solution.

Even unproductive office workers gets salary increase as long as it sticks to the company for a long period

Just my two cents

:)

Seems unfair but...

The answer might be in the contribution of each player on the team ratings.
OS and PD are influenced mostly by the PG, SG and SF. Three players for two team ratings. This is the small man area.
IS, ID and RB (three team ratings in a match) are influenced mostly by the PF and C. Two players for three ratings. This is the big man area.

If the salaries between players with equal level of skills are the same (that would be 1 for these purposes) then you will end up with this result:
3 X 1 = 3 salaries for OS and PD.
2 X 1 = 2 salaries for IS, ID and RB

One might find this unfair also. Instead of that you get high salary for big man (around 1,5 x) to reach equality. So the end result is:

3 X 1 = 3 salaries for OS and PD.
2 X 1,5 = 3 salaries for IS, ID and RB

But this is just my guess.

How does that relate to the accuracy of salary calculators, however ?

There are no official salary calculators for BuzzerBeater. Any help program somebody writes is generated from their own understanding of how the game works, and we do not provide any extra information to their authors. So, I think this is really a question for the authors of the calculators you are using.

I hear that salaries come out of fortune cookies, and before each season the Admins have to eat a lot of fortune cookies to set all the salaries, and that as BB grows with more and more teams and more and more players, the Admins also grow from eating so many cookies. But they really like fortune cookies, which is why they keep pulling players out of retirement, so they'd have more salaries to fix.

I've had a 80k pay rise this season but 60k came from my training from last season.Seeing that i managed to win the II div and promoted to the first this is not such an impossible situation that for those that keep posting here.
For me the most important thing that will change from now on is that i will not be spending a lot of money on transfers this season as many of the other managers in my league.Upgrading the areana also doesn't seem to be a solution because of the max limit.
I think that from now on i will change when chosing my players and insteed of choosing a C that has 3 prodigious i will choose one that has 3 wonderous and more proficient/prominent skills.Same ideea for the PG/SG/SF.I was always a manager that tryied to get more balanced players that individual skills and now is the ideal moment to do this.
I am also waiting to see that decrese in the transfer fees that doesn't seem to happen.
For the teams in the II,III and IV div good luck because i think they will be the ones that will suffer the most even if the GMs are telling us different.80k for me is something but 30-40k to someone that has a profit of 50k is something else.This is also a free pass for the teams in the countrys that have only 30-40 active teams seeing that they will always remain in the top I or II div.Mybe now we will se some announcer/bench warmer getting that MVP of the season they were always dreaming of.

Finaly i was wondering i've playing this game for 9 seasons now and of those 3 in div.I, 5 in div.II and 1 in div.I and i have "Season Ticket Holders: 3682".Still i don't seem to understand how that works seeing that i have an arena of 13220

When you say that the BB economy is globally balanced and self-managed with the new salary formula, I understand that you are working with just these global numbers: global incomes vs global expenses, and the salary formula keeps the balance by adjusting the player salaries. Am I wrong?

Therefore, as the salaries increased 10-15% this season, this means that last season we have had globally higher incomes, and I have heard several times that this is something which mainly affects to the top divisions: Teams do not use most of their income in player salaries, they can save a lot of money and thus the difference between divisions grow up.

All the time we are using these "global" terms, so I guess we are not talking about the economy of a particular BB country, but about the global economy, and the salary update is an automatic answer to a global situation.

So..., and this is my question: have you taken into account the differences between large-medium-small countries in these calculations?

Because, for example, there are 98 top leagues in BuzzerBeater, but only very few correspond to large countries. So, if we calculate the top-leagues average, very probably the result will be very representative of the situation in small countries, and a very bad representation of the situation in large countries. The salary update will perfectly fit to the global situation, however the impact of these measures is very different depending on the size of the BB country.

As in the real world, a global market and global measures may bring some kind of unfairness which will affect more strongly to the weakest members of the community.

In the spanish forums (where we really miss very much the presence of a BB), I have heard the complaints of many teams and the hard time they will have to run through because of the salary update, and curiously most of them are not top-teams, but teams from all the other divisions. Have you considered that your global measures may have very bad side-effects in the lower divisions of large leagues?
It seems that all these global measures will take many small teams in Spain into a lot of economic problems. The inflation/deflation sequence you have caused in the BB-economy (even if they are good for the global game health), will always affect more strongly to the weakest teams in large and very competitive leagues, but I don´t think they represent a real problem for any team in a small BB country.