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Don't get it wrong, I mean, people like you are awesome for new managers.

It just makes me wonder... what are we voting for? A guy that can coach a team, or a guy who is willing to get people involved and help them out (something you can do wether you get the NT job or not)?

Why are we even questionning this?

I'll give you my definition of a NT manager, even if nobody cares :p
- set the line up
- select the worthy players
- save the high potential and talented ones from going bot
- let people know about the skills of the NT players
- discuss the tactics if someone is interested

Anything else you do that is not on that list is because you're a cool guy. Now if you're a cool guy because you got elected is another question.

[I hope I didn't forget anything on that list or I'll get shot in the next post :D]

I think you have a very limited view of the role. It is also important to ensure that there are more good players worthy of being selected. If one in the role only cares about their 2 year term and fails to take a longer term view we will never become a stronger nation.

It is also important to ensure that there are more good players worthy of being selected.

As a matter of fact, this is not up to the NT manager but to the regular team managers themselves. You'll be extremely upset if you think you can change their mind.

Not to mention you should arguably advise the new managers to do what's NOT good for the U21 NT: since they play in a lower division, they cannot afford high salaries. Thus you should tell them to train secondaries so they can keep their star player on a long term and not lose interest in the game. Otherwise, all the talented players go to the upper division where the managers can carry on training them and pay them. Then the small market teams will most likely go bot.

Lower level teams can train a guy for the 21 NT and then do some secondaries and have a solid player who can serve them upto Div II well and not costs too much. Training a solid player is abetter long term and buying someone with a poor build.

Yeah, like you gonna promote immediately after training your U21 player. Lots of fun paying a 50k or more guy to play him out of position because you didn't train the secondaries when he was cheap, too! I'm gonna tell one a secret d3 manager, D2 won't forgive that kind of mistake! Try it and you'll most likely be stuck in mediocrity for a looooong stretch.

I sincerly hope this is not the kind of things you advise to other managers. Or well, from a personnal standpoint, I was kinda happy to have a bunch of terrible managers who allowed my to train some 19yo guys in d2.

I'm training a PF in OD atm. Easy to do in a scrim each week. From what you are saying even teams in Div II and ABBL should not be training guys for the 21 NT side. If they can't afford to train secondaries. what is the difference in having a 50k C play a G with poor G skills then a 3k rookie? At least the 50k guy can rebound and make some inside shots. It is not perfect use of the guy but training guys never is.

Yeah, like you gonna promote immediately after training your U21 player. Lots of fun paying a 50k or more guy to play him out of position because you didn't train the secondaries when he was cheap, too! I'm gonna tell one a secret d3 manager, D2 won't forgive that kind of mistake! Try it and you'll most likely be stuck in mediocrity for a looooong stretch.

I sincerly hope this is not the kind of things you advise to other managers. Or well, from a personnal standpoint, I was kinda happy to have a bunch of terrible managers who allowed my to train some 19yo guys in d2.

Are you saying you don't train 19 year olds as you are in Div II

A'ight, I'll make it quick because I'm not that cool guy handing out advices.

1. The difference between paying a 50k guy to play PG and a 3k guy is that both will get smashed, but you'll pay one 47k more than the other. Salary efficiency fundamentals, dear Watson. So now, while I train my crappy 3k guy, I can afford a 47k guy to play in his true position and carry the 3k guy. You can't do that with your 50k guy.

2. Other managers should not have let me train 19yo in d2. They should beat the sh!t out of me and send me back to d3. Instead I was able to train these little fellas while making ways more money than I'd have in d3. They made it easy for me. This had lead my team having a real shot at promoting, something you shouldn't want as an opponent. There are 16 teams, only 1 can promote.

Basics, dude.

Well in Div III and Div IV there are many weeks where you have 3asy games. Playing a guy out of position and defending in position is not a huge deal. You can;t do it all the time but its doable. Getting a guy with 12 core skills will be a big deal for a lot of newer teams. They will not cost 50k and buying a guy like that will cost a lot more then training.
I won games I had my PF playing PG still. Win is a win.

Are you saying no one in Div IV or Div III should training guys for the 21 NT side? And that guys in Div II and ABBL should not be able to do so? So only tankers should be training guys? Just trying to understand your position.

People in lower divisions can train guys for the 21 NT side and it also work for their teams. how much do most these sides spend on buying players with poor builds because they have a couple of high level stats?

Their teams needs can be meet while still training a guy for the 21 Nt side. I know my guy is my best player atm and came 4th in MVP voting even playing PG a fair bit during the season. Unless you are totally focused on promoting each season I don't see the issue.

Teams starting our can train a guy for 21 NT side with more mono skills and he would get and keep them in DIv III and then finish his training before trying to move up to Div II. Too many teams IMO promote quickly and are not ready for moving up to the next level and drop back again. Which for me seems a waste. I prefer to take my time and build slower and when moving up stay at the next level. I am currently training 3 guys. My PF and 2 Gs. As they get more complete I am hoping they are the core of my side when I make ABBL. The PF is joining in as the 3rd G trainee and when he drops off I will be getting a SF to join in also and then go back to bigs and train a couple of Cs with him and I will have 6 guys I trained being the main part of my side. Buy a couple of new guys and I'm ready to make ti to the top.

Teams in Div IV can start working towards getting their side together and training a guy for the 21 NT side can fit into that and also give them more enjoyment and involvement in the game. I am totally against new sides training complete mono skills guys but they can still work towards a 21 NT players. And even if they don't make it they can learn from trying to do it. Where else can these guys get help with their builds?

I'll give you my definition of a NT manager, even if nobody cares :p
- set the line up
- select the worthy players
- save the high potential and talented ones from going bot
- let people know about the skills of the NT players
- discuss the tactics if someone is interested

That's a simplistic and basic overview of what an U21 Coaches job is.

What I would want from my U21 Coach is all of the above plus:
- Consistent contact with players coaches regarding Game Shape and training plans
- Scouting players, Rival U21 Teams and tactics
- Updates of how the team is going in the BB-Forums
- Firm grasp of training tactics (elastic effects)

I only really know 2 of the candidates through the fishbowl, however I did stay in contact with Mickyster regarding his U21 player when I was coach for 2 seasons.

I hope that you guys take into account what I've said, as I have been in the position before. You may find the workload quite troublesome at times and feel like you don't receive the respect that you deserve. Most likely you'll find one manager in particular that will question your every move and drive you insane (Cough-Latino-Cough). But other than that, it's an honor to be an NT manager, especially from your home country.

It is a lot of work. And a lot once one has the job with a limited time to do an scouting of our players. Thankfully I can take a couple of days off next week if I win to get a lot done early.