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From: Nick22
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Date: 12/27/2013 3:37:01 PM
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As far as the GDP goes, Hunterz and I did a small amount of experimenting in scrims last season. I hosted 3 scrims:

Game 1:
Hunterz, 2 correct guesses
Lancers, 2 incorrect guesses
Hunterz 69-52 Lancers

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/65381756/boxscore.aspx

Game 2:
Hunterz, 2 incorrect
Lancers, 2 correct
Hunterz 76-84 Lancers

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/65388649/boxscore.aspx

Game 3:
Hunterz, 2 correct
Lancers, 2 correct
Hunterz 48-64 Lancers

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/65397637/boxscore.aspx

For the third game, Hunterz had sold off most of his scrubs and bought new $1k players for this last scrim, so the data might be a bit skewed for that game, but you can see the two extremes in Games 1 & 2.

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Date: 12/27/2013 3:46:00 PM
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almost perfect... only thing is the change of players for game 3... and then no game 4 of without guessing at all for a baseline.

Of course more data would be helpful too....

Thank you Nick22

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Date: 12/27/2013 4:08:57 PM
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Yeah after game 3 Hunterz fired the scrubs and stopped scrimming because he'd locked up fifth place.

From: Hunterz

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Date: 12/27/2013 4:28:29 PM
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Correct.
Sorry to the community for that. The extra couple scrims with same lineups could have been invaluabe. Not sure what I was thinking.

Those games are a big reason I am leary of the GDP implimentation and have mentioned it numerous times offsite.

Do the candidates intend to try to scout and use it or ignore it in this term until its full affect can be drtermined?

From: E.B.W.

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Date: 12/27/2013 4:31:45 PM
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I plan to ignore it for the majority of this first season simply because I do not think we will need it to win any game. I would like some more examples and information though, so it can be utilized next season.

Murray/Harris/MPJ/Grant/Jokic - 2020 NBA Champs
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Date: 12/28/2013 8:24:52 AM
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Bah... I accidently deleted my post instead of editing it.

The gist of it:

GDP is useless until any significant research proves its not.

I do like players with less TSP than those of the same position with more. Rex Engle and Tracey Gamez come to mind.

From: Jelme

To: Coco
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Date: 12/28/2013 2:12:21 PM
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And depending on the team...can you cover weakness in personnel with GDP?

It also adds another level of mind games in a tournament setting which I love.

From: E.B.W.

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Thanks for your questions DRoss!

These have both been very lightly discussed, but ill try to expand a lot on them if I can.

I plan on trying to create a team that can run BO and LI with very few roster changes to switch the tactics. I feel like this season we have A TON of USA owned guys, which means they will probably be very reliable opposed to last season, when some of the foreign managers didn't care about GS as much. This allows us to look at adding more diverse players on the roster (18 guys) because we won't have to think as much about "what happens if he cannot manage game shape?". For this specific group our bigs will remain the same for the majority of the season as well as our top 3 SFs I think. The case where there will be switch ups will be at the guard positions because we have solid LI guards, good SGs and balanced guards. I think we have the pieces to be a successful two tactic team though.

As for the 18 year olds that have just been drafted, I am very excited and confident that guys will look at training different type players, or just very strong base players. Thanks to A Warrior and a few other offsite guys, many of the USA guys that were on sale have been bought by USA managers and will be staying home. This allows us to discuss more easily how they can help our U21 NT and what they would be willing to train when we send out our scouting bbmails (which believe have already started). I would want a mix of training the same ways in the past and new type of players, simply because if the new type of players do not work well, we have fallback players.

Murray/Harris/MPJ/Grant/Jokic - 2020 NBA Champs
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