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Many users are not going to believe what Marin wrote in his post. The $10 is not primarily and only for money. It's mostly to ensure that every user who is going to participate will have a strong incentive to remain very active. It sounds unrealistic to many users but this was the main point of the payment.

I really think charging supporters is unfair.

Thinking about it, maybe you(people making decisions) were thinking about numbers. You say you expect about 1k second teams. If there are 1k supporters, then maybe you account in the possibility that many supporters wouldn't take their second team seriously, which would sabotage the competition?

As nobody liked the name Utopia, simply change the name for Rest of World. So Utopia represent nations that do not yet exist in the game.

Hi, I'll try to formulate a concise answer.
1. It's an option. When we planned the feature we thought it would be better for it to have it's own players. Don't remember if there was a particular reason why. It's definitely easier that way (than modifying draft and team player creation code).

2. As some guys already pointed out, it's not about money, although we appreciate the extra income. We want the Utopia country to be the most competitive place in BB. Giving free teams to all Supporters would counter that. Also, Supporters get the Supporter package on their second team for free, for the duration of the package.

3. If there are more than 1024, we will downgrade everyone to level V.

4. Working on it right now, so, worst case scenario, in a matter of days.

5. You can always buy the 3 month Supporter packages to get them as close as possible. Your suggestion is practically impossible, sorry.

6. Why wouldn't you buy those old players with your primary team? The rule is there to make sure no foul play between the two teams is ever even suspected, and for that it needs to be rigorous.

Hope that helps!

As I am fine with Points 1. and 3. and can´t do anything about 5. just an answer to the other ones:

2. Sorry, I can´t understand your Point. Why would Utopia be less competitive if the already paying supporters would get a Little Discount to participate in it? What has that to do with the competitiveness? thats nice for Marketing Points, but really, thats not an Argument.

4. I hope you will announce it on the News page with a link to it.

6. Why I wouldn´t buy them? Hm, maybe because my Primary Team is now in a league where they can´t help me anymore (otherwise they would still be with me) but they could be a real force for my secondary Team.... And i don´t understand the Argument. If there would be the rule, that you can´t sell and buy Players directly between These Teams everything would be fine. Because the Players then have to be with anover Team- which is always pursuing it´s own Profit. So why can´t i buy a Player who has maybe been 10 seasons ago on my Primary Team for my second Team or vice versa? The only reason i see is, you suggest that all People already have a second Team.....

After all my "disappointing posts", one "suggestion" post, about roster composition:

12 defined player, everyone with all 1 at every skill and 25 (the half between 18 and 32) years. [optionally: Possibility to choose name (supporters) (both kind of players)]
Every player has X skillpoints (to be defined, for example 40) which have to be used.

related to Age, there is a limit to maximum level of a single skill
Example:
18--->max 7 in a single skill
19---> max 8
20--->max 9
21--->max 10
22 to 25--->max 11
26 to 28---> max 12
28 or more---> max 13
Every +1 in age increases X by something (1?/2? more?)
Every -1 decreases X by something (1?/2? more?)

Height is setted random, but you can spend something of the X skills (to be defined) to change it in an admitted value.
Or, better, you can simply edit height you want.
You can also choiche potential, with this example table
0 - Free
1 - you will receive 5 skillpoint
2 - you will receive 4 skillpoint
3 - you will receive 3 skillpoint
4 - you will receive 2 skillpoint
5 - you will receive 1 skillpoint
6 - Free
7 - it costs 1 skillpoint
8 - it costs 3 skillpoint
9 - it costs 5 skillpoint
10 - it costs 10 skillpoint
11 - it costs 20 skillpoint

so we can also increase the "skill" of this kind of elite management which will ask for 2nd team.

What do you think?

Nickleon & Perpete

You are very patient people - thank you and thanks for continually manning the boards which is a thankless task.

I will treat it super "competitivly"!!! Why woudln't managers treat it that way when like 1000 teams or 500 or w/e are all starting from 0 all at the same time.
Stop talking bad about this Second Team, its the BEST Idea EVER!

i am looking for a good reason to take part, but you do not give me any good one already, because this only means that Marin will have more work with the same resources and without solving any of the problems BB has, we are only adding a new league so we are adding more problems but it is the only feature that means money for BB. The rest of problems would require solutions without earning a buck

If having the opportunity to compete in arguably the most competitive nation BB has to offer from a completely even starting point (and the ability to tell people who might complain that you're only successful since you've been here since season 4 to meet you in Utopia and prove their mettle) doesn't interest you, then it doesn't interest you. I'm still not sure how a $40 annual subscription fee for supporter can be considered development resources for BB but somehow the $10 annual subscription fee for MettaPeaceLand doesn't increase resources at all and is merely a cash grab, but considering the number of changes in recent seasons it's hardly fair to say they're only going to focus on things to bring in more money. Feel free to have your own perspective on the facts, but please try to refrain from inventing your own.

This is, for me, a "sop". And i repeat it. Why? Because "supporter" doesn't have double fun with his package, simply can control more aspects of the game (bookmarks, live update at top of the page during matchdays, numbers and logo and avatar and search in forum, polls, smileys). 2nd team, at least in consideration during the poll post, give the chance to double the fun, it seems. Or, as i underlines, double the stress ;). In my mind 2nd team may be priority instead of supporter package, and some actions (give supporter for free if you buy 2nd team and have supporter = if you pay me 10$ i give you 40$, at least actually) done by BB's are close to my opinion (pushing 2nd team than supporter) than to "elite" idea. IMO.

Would you prefer that they just increase the price of Supporter by $10 and then only supporters have access to the second team? The business case is simple: here's what you get for your $40. If you find it compelling or simply wish to support the development and maintenance of the site, great, purchase supporter. If not, you don't. The second team feature is something that is essentially financing the creation and maintenance of a new BB nation, allowing legalized second teams and if that's a compelling feature, you purchase it; if not, don't.

If you feel cheated because you're not given something more than you've agreed to pay for, then you probably should not have felt what you paid for was worthy of purchasing in the first place. Would it be nice to get bonus features? Sure! But if you're buying a service and you get what you paid for, it's just unseemly to complain about being asked to pay a premium for an additional tier of service.