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Yeah ,every new team from now on are equal... financially wise. They still get a random generated team however.

Edited by Riceball (11/29/2007 1:11:32 AM CET)

Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 11/29/2007 1:11:32 AM

I actually think teams joining later will be at a pretty big disadvantage financially. By getting into the game at an early phase there are some pretty big advantages.

For one, with so much player turnover and vertical compression, it is much easier to promote now than it it will be in a year or so. I started halfway through last season in Div. IV and I could possibly be in Div. II next season without ever having to win a championship.

True that.

I don't have the whole picture on how the top teams having loads of cash was breaking the economy. Seems that they would have only remained at the top as long as they could win in the top division, afterwards they would go down to a 2 and get D.II style attendance and alot of empty seats, reduced income with higher salary players.

My view was that if they were good enough to stay, they would have stayed and with time the league would have matured.

As is after the all star break is going to be interesting to watch how fast toons pop, how fast salaries go up across the board and how that will affect the entire community. Ive stated my view that I am not in favor of some of the changes because I think it will reward teams based on where they are, not on how well they have managed.

That opinion being stated (and stated and restated by myself and others and rebuked and rebuked by others) the changes are still coming, so maybe while it seems that the player base is captivated by this discussion I can bring up what I think might be a bit of a larger issue and thats the attrition that led to all these teams becoming botified.

My bracket in my division has been a large let down. My D.IV bracket had more active teams and it made the game interesting. As is my entire side save one team has been botified this season and Ive had two games I looked at so far this season that I didn't expect to win.

The turn over has been huge, does anyone really know why? I think the game is fun so is it lack of good information to start with like the other guy said?

I know this is starting to get off topic a bit but this topic is kind of burning itself up with people (myself included) only able to make theories on how this will affect the game.

Perhaps leagues themselves can get volunteer mentors who introduce themselves when a new team gets introduced and offers starting advice and answers questions relating to the sometimes enigmatic rules page.

Just a thought but I do know of two guys who work in the same office who got into the game after I had mentioned it, one got advice from me regarding the game and his team is doing well, hes made smart roster moves and is still in the cup even though its his first season as a player.

The other guy didn't. Picked up staff he couldn't afford, sold players he should have kept and expanded his arena which has financially hamstrung him. Hes in a heavy losing record and only his rivalry in his league with his office partner has kept him interested. I've spoken with this guy and competed against him in fantasy football and hes not dumb at all, it just shows that extra knowledge at the very start of your experience can change how your season goes.

Just food for thought and apologies to anyone I insult by changing the topic in a thread to something that might have more meaningful discussion that helps a game we obviously care about.


Edited by cruzanm423 (11/29/2007 1:38:37 AM CET)

Last edited by cruzanm423 at 11/29/2007 1:38:37 AM

we are losing about 50% of users we bring in.... this i think is a reasonable number actually.. but because of the big influx of users, 50% of new users is a sizable portion of the actual population so it hurts more. As we stop growing as quickly proportionally this will improve. You will get put up in a division with more humans next season so its a temporary problem.

I could buy 6 x 500k players today if i wanted to.

Do i want to though??!!

Bottom line - When in HT have you ever heard of a user that gets a team and wins the division after playing a few games? The teams they get are bad. They get a user test because they are so bad and to prevent users from making that 100k seat upgrade, or buying that 100k player and go bankrupt.

I did that in February '06. Took over a team that had only ever been bot halfway through a season, won my remaining games, won the division, and won my qualifier game against an established team that wasn't throwing it.

I also think this is completely irrelevant. HT has been around for many seasons, there are many mature teams. It makes sense that good teams generally kill bad teams. BB is different - the mature teams here have been around for 1 or 2 seasons longer than the others. Is that an advantage? Sure. But it's not the end of the world for the newer teams.

Let's see.

Much is said here, and I admid I read only a very small part of it, so what I say, might have been told, but the only thing I can give here and now, is my opinion.

It is good that BB releases the best players on the market once a team is not managed anymore, BUT!!! only a few players should see the market this way. I'd say with wages 6000 or up, and NT players.

Look at the TFmarket now and see... about 19 out of 20 players I see that caches my eye is from ownerless teams! hundreds of millions of dollars exit the game this way. And players put up by real teams have no chance of being sold, snice they are not good enough.

More important, since there are so many (where the xxxx do they come from, so so many!!) the bigger teams can't bid on them all. They simply can't.
Well this is good I hear you say, give everyone a chance!
Agree, BUT this makes those good players affordable for all, and that's good, but not at the expense of other players. A 'regular' guy with a salary of less than 3500/week is doomed to be fired now, since no one will buy them. This makes that all smaller teams are duped. They have little money, and the players they have, that might have fixed them a few hundred-k bucks, now are worthless as well!! They can maybe buy 1 or 2 of the good players, but not enough to make a winning team. They will have no chance of winning anymore and probably will quit.
The 2 or 3 good players they have , will be released on the market to make the effect worse...

The situation on the tranfermarket at the moment is realy rediculous...realy...
I think it hurts the game.

I had invested in about 30 players to train them in free trows and sell them for profit, only to notice a few weeks later that I will need to fire them all. But I don't complain, since I was able to buy me 10, yes 10!!! tremendously good players for my money. My case is, as me, probably many had created a longer term plan with their players, which now 9out of 10 will be doomed to fail because too many better players are on the market.
These players would normally not reach the market since if the teams didn't quit they would keep their best to play for them, so why should they hit the market if the team quits?

I know BB does this (maybe only in part) to quickly get much better players in the game, and every team quitting takes down some good players.
But remember this BB. The only players who can improve are those that are trained. There are only so many active teams, so there can only be so many players that train and improve, releasing 100x more on the market won't make those improve...

Therefor I say, release, but release less. This way the prices won't drop (they do now, and drastically since they is an overflow of good players), and lesser players will stil be worth at least something. The very best still stay in the game, and can improve further.

I now apologise for this very long post, but hey... I gave some info to discuss didn't I? ;)

I agree 1000%. I have had to change training plans 3 times and fortunately I have had the money to do so. Others may not be so fortunate