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When you look at the whole, the tanking issue is a widespread concern affecting a lot of users

While we're on the topic of salary floor increase as a partial remedy to tanking ... let me ask, who are these "lot of users" you're talking about? Who is actually hurt by tanking, other than the tankers themselves? Is tanking a problem in and of itself or merely a symptom of a more deep-rooted problem? (Move this question and start a new thread for this if you feel it's necessary).

It's the game itself - when eschewing playing the game at all for seasons at a time to build up money becomes or is even perceived to have become a top strategy, the game is screwed.

When you look at the whole, the tanking issue is a widespread concern affecting a lot of users

While we're on the topic of salary floor increase as a partial remedy to tanking ... let me ask, who are these "lot of users" you're talking about? Who is actually hurt by tanking, other than the tankers themselves? Is tanking a problem in and of itself or merely a symptom of a more deep-rooted problem? (Move this question and start a new thread for this if you feel it's necessary).

It's the game itself - when eschewing playing the game at all for seasons at a time to build up money becomes or is even perceived to have become a top strategy, the game is screwed.

Hmm ... "the game itself." Sorry, but that might be just a wee bit too vague and metaphysical to further constructive conversation. We could similarly condemn eschewing competing in the game at all for seasons at a time to build up trainees to sell for money, and say that training is bad for the game itself. We could pretty much apply that to anything -- daytrading is bad for "the game itself." Vulgar team names. Anything. That's all just opinion.

I'm looking for something a little more concrete. Here's my thinking -- suppose you and BB-Ryan have a point. What if the raise in the salary floor didn't hurt as many managers as badly as many first believed, as you and BB-Ryan argue. Then who did it help by supposedly countering tanking? Who is hurt by tanking? Any users at all, or it just doesn't fit your mental image of what you want for BB?

I don't see how increasing the salary floor hurts retention among new users and I think making the teams that are trying to stay lean more competitive with the teams trying to promote makes for a better game in general. This increase in the salary floor is too small to matter much though.

I joined the game just before last season and my only issue with the salary floor increase is it made me use the TL which is usually a frustrating experience.

Well, on the concept of "the good of the game" I figure that making the game better overall is and always should be the primary goal.

I have always found it a bit strange actually that a game that do want in a way to limit tanking has one of its biggest "awards"(cant find a better word now) from being the team with the least wins.
I feels as though that is pretty counter productive.

What hurts retention among new users is how frustrating it is to upgrade your players from the automatically generated dreck comprising the roster of a new team. 99.9% of the initial roster is useless. The TL is expensive and frustrating. And training is difficult to figure out at first as well.

Frankly, if you want to do something to encourage new users to stick around for whatever benefits you see that accomplishing, forget the 18 yo all-star talent and give the TSP's of the randomly generated roster a 10-20% boost. Make so they can actually be a tiny bit competitive out of the box.

Finances don't impact whether a new user sticks around. If it's not fun, or seems overly complicated, they bail.

We had one team that bought B3 success, but those times are long gone.

I think tanking has been a popular choice for managers that want to start over in a very carefree manner, maybe are a bit frustrated and try something different, build up the bankroll and get it going again at a later stage.

We had one team that bought B3 success, but those times are long gone.

Twice and he's not bot.

I think tanking has been a popular choice for managers that want to start over in a very carefree manner, maybe are a bit frustrated and try something different, build up the bankroll and get it going again at a later stage.

And now instead of turning a $4 million profit you make $3.5 million. Why should that bother people who want to start over? You're making less, but you're still making a LOT more money than everyone else.

Whoa, he's not bot. Wow, that puts everything in a different perspective. NOT.

3.5 million in this economy won't get you a roster worthwhile admiring tho, those 4 mil of the past few years could buy you a boss roster. #Justsayin