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I know what you are trying to do. All I want is to find any reason why it should be like that.

The point that prices would be more settlet pretty much unrelate with the principle of transfer market, because why should be things so complicated that every manager would be forced to behave on the transfer market, while should be every starting price based in fact on his decision? It doesnt make any sense... and seems more like an illusion of a "free" about you have to decide on yourself what you will do. Thats why it seems to me more reasonable to change this system itself than create from it overregulated illusion of something what used to be a market...

The game is about making decisions and while I dont quite like to see that some clubs are earning most of their money on the market, understanding of such a system should be (imo) based on the decisions which give opportunity to unexperienced managers go and fail sometimes - or just never fail at all.

(sorry for that wicked form, Im not really sure how to explain that)

Now let's say you do not sell him for 2 times he has been on TL and will sell him at the third time with pricetag 1,5mil. You have payed 24k in taxes + transfer tax ofcourse. It really does not hurt you, BUT if you keep him listed at 1,2 mil 10 times and he does not sell?

So what you are saying is that he should be penalised for listing at the "right" price just because it wasn't sold? Doesn't seem fair. And I realise he ends up making plenty of profit, but that isn't the point. The 24k in taxes may not hurt him, but they shouldn't be taxes because it was put on the TL for the players value anyway. So this shows that the taxes would hurt players that are listed for a decent price but are still not sold.

What if the player is 18 or 19 or even 20? I realise that people overpay for potential all the time, but that is their prerogative.

All I am saying is that just because a player doesn't sell at a listed price, doesn't mean the player isn't worth the listed price. I am not saying that the player is always worth the price they are listed at. But I could list a player that I use for my team at 1.5 million that you might consider to be a borderline 1.5 million player. So maybe it takes 3 or 4 weeks before someone else thinks that they would be happy to pay 1.5 million for the player. By my definition of value, the players value is now 1.5 million.

I think the formula consists of players quality (what better players or weaker players are worth), age, potential. Ofcourse recent sales and amount of similar players in the game or on the market also play a role. I believe BB-s have somekind of player valueing system or else they would not be able to evaluate player salarys during off season etc.

I agree with most of that, however there are other things that influence how much a player is worth such as a player's nationality, or whether he is a NT player. Also a players game shape might be reason to pay extra because you want to use him in a game straight away.

All players have a price range of what they are "worth" but this price range cannot be determined and is constantly fluctuating. I believe the price range to be the cheapest price they would sell for to the maximum price they would sell for.

You said that the BBs have a way of valueing players based on salary, but this isn't entirely correct. A player with 15k salary isn't necessarily more valuable than a player with 10k salary. The 15k player might have mediocre on all stats with tremendous jumpshot. The 10k player might have prominent OD, prominent JS, strong JR and Strong Handling and Driving with Respectable Passing. Clearly the 10k player is worth more.

We all know that multiskilled player is better and cheaper. I was talking about overall salary. I agree that nationality or NT tagged player might raise the price a little. Injuries lower it a bit, but game shape is really easy to fix, I don't think it influences the price that much.

You said that the BBs use salary to show a players value, but then you say a multiskilled player is better and cheaper in cost and salary. Aren't they contradictory? I think I have misunderstood what you meant.

I think game shape is a vital factor. If I was looking for players that I would need for a cup game or a playoff game and there was no training update before the game, then game shape comes in to play. I would rather buy a slightly worse player with proficient game shape than a slightly better player with respectable game shape. And so to me, the value of the slightly worse player is higher and I would be willing to overpay for him.

I believe BB-s have somekind of player valueing system or else they would not be able to evaluate player salarys during off season etc.

This does not mean they value players according to their salarys, they evaluate overall skill versus overall salary and see how much they need to raise/lower wages. I hope I made it clear now.
Salary is linked to skills, but 3 levels in one skill (any inside skill for example) raises the salary more than 1 level in 3 skills (ID,RB,IS for example).

ah okay I understand what you mean.
Still prefer no tax though haha :)

no tax is needed if you could not play the players listed?

Now if you have listed him 3 times for the same price and he has not sold, it's not about bad timing, he is just not worth that much. Believe me I have seen players listed for the same amount for a month in a row, 2 listings in a week. I just find it silly and frustrating when he eventually get's sold to a new div.V team.

on the bold part: even though at times this would be acceptable since manager don't play those players anymore, it is very often a reason NOT to TL a player at all, while the manager still wants to sell the guy but needs a lpayer on his field until he gets the money to buy a new one. So that will not happen I think.

about the repeated listing: I don't look at TL-ed players often to buy one. But if I set my mind on buying one, I know what I want. And if I find a player which has it all right, I don't mind spending a few 100k more on him then the average guy whic "seems" to be the same but misses the few important extras I want.
How can anyone know WHEN I will go looking for their player? they can't so they need to keep em listed until the fellow who is looking for them comes along to buy them.

If the player listed is nothing special, and is just the same as every other listed player, yes, he will never sell him, who will get tired quickest? the one having to relist him every 3 days, or the ones that refuse to buy him?


The way I see what the real problem here is, is that some people might get frustrated they see a very beuatifull player, but they want to wait until the seller drops his price, better yet, they want that the seller is forced to offer him at a nice low price, or risk getting punished, so they can hope not to many others see him, and none of the others realy needs him to play with, and then they can get him cheaper.
Because they keep searching for this specific type of player, they see him pass by often, and get more frustrated the price won't drop.
Don't be this guy, if the player is good, the price neds to be good as well. Just buy the guy.
If he's REALY to expensive, there is no need to be frustrated about it, just let him go. Adapt your searchcriteria, put something in it to avoid this specific fellow, and he will disapear, and so will the frustrations.

Just to make it clear: none of these players are needed by me. I just monitor some teams who constantly list few of their players high. It's not about getting frustrated about beautiful players, it's about seeing them gaining an unfair advantage with this type of listing.
I have seen so many opposing managers in this thread, partly because many experienced managers use this tactic aswell. There are many emotional buyers in this game who are just waiting to be abused:) All I can do is try to keep atleast 2 higher leagues in Estonia clean.
Thanks for reading this and ofcourse the many 1 balls :D

Here is an example:
18/02/2010 I bought Cary Jones for $ 6 528 000 from free agency
08/05/2010 I sold Cary Jones for $ 7 500 000 (after fees $ 7 125 000) to Asingratitos BC (World Rank: 6)
For this almost 3 months in my team he had 8 skillups. I had placed him to TL maybe 5-6 times before he was sold.
This player deserves this price, but there are very few teams which can afford it and are looking for such a player and have the money at deadline.
Why shouldn't I place him at 7.5M six time? Or why should I pay 5x 75k = 375k for not sold him?
Or dou you think johny13 (Asingratitos BC) didn't know what he was doing?

Kukoc is playing a superhero here: he is regularly monitoring players and if you say anything against his suggestions, you'll get observed to, so better watch out. He is also a psychological genius, that when you do something here on Buzzerbeater (for example listing a player on the transfer market) he evaluates your conviction and finds out exactly, why you've put the player at that time for that price. His diagnostic is that a lot of criminals are online and by adding this fee they might be discouraged...

Batman returns, Superman rebirth, kukoc resurrection

I think that it's a stupid idea to invent a fee for putting a player on the transfer market. It is nonsense. In the past I think everybody had to learn the value of a player, and probably you learn by mistake. I mean sometimes players are overpriced, but you'll only find out, if you once made the mistake to buy one. It adds up to your experience in this game. Way overpriced players are anyways most of the times reported and then tracked down.



Last edited by Coach Ash at 5/10/2010 6:41:49 AM