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Also guys let's try to be productive. Have a look at the U21 group (Pool F) what do you think?

I know that Astragoth already answered this, but I will talk about it again.
About the group, our main goal is to gather entusiasm in the impossible games and use it against the ones we can win, but with some dificulty

21/09/2009 17:30:00 England U21 -- Deutschland U21 Impossible
28/09/2009 17:30:00 Suomi U21 -- England U21 Difficult, almost impossible
05/10/2009 17:30:00 England U21 -- Sverige U21 Impossible
12/10/2009 17:30:00 Nederland U21 -- England U21 Impossible
19/10/2009 17:30:00 Andorra U21 -- England U21 Easy
26/10/2009 17:30:00 England U21 -- Azərbaycan U21 Easy
02/11/2009 17:30:00 England U21 -- Bosna i Hercegovina U21 Very, very difficult

It will be impossible to get to the first to spots, but we will try to win as many games as we can.

After that I have to say that the most important thing this season is work in the young players

We will be scouting every league in England and major leagues in other countries.
Are you sure about that? explain your machine and I will talk about our machine.

Dude there is nothing secret here. It's all plain obvious. We don't have scouting limitations to "major leagues" in "other countries". We don't miss players. The amount of players worth following up is unfortunately small...

BTW, USA has a similar system in place and I bet Italy does as well...

That's is what we are trying to change. You can have all the scouting tools available but if you can't have trained players for what do you want it?
If you keep saying that it's impossible to make users train players, England will not develop as a NT. We have been saying this since the beggining of the thread. It seems that no one is reading what we write...

That's is what we are trying to change. You can have all the scouting tools available but if you can't have trained players for what do you want it?
If you keep saying that it's impossible to make users train players, England will not develop as a NT. We have been saying this since the beggining of the thread. It seems that no one is reading what we write...

If you come here with a portfolio of 10 trusted farm teams, I'll be ecstatic.

You are saying you'll convinve people to train their talent in single position or sell it to someone that will.

And you'll do that with your charm?

I think some people may have a mis-conception that the previous managers have not contacted the owners of candidates. Lets put that to rest. EVERY manager England has had, for both the Senior and U-21 NT, has contacted owners of potential players. I know that because every one of them has contacted me about at least one player in the past.

Elboss and some others have said that it's impossible to MAKE a user train a player. I have to believe this is true, as you can't force people to do much of anything unless they have a reason or the will to do it. Contacting potential managers and advising them is all well and good, but it's already been done. What else are you prepared to do since you seem to be saying more can be done?

I've already said that. If someone comes here and says that if I can develop a player, he will be a major help to my team, and that maybe he can go to a NT, I would surely train him. Of course not everyone thinks like me, but there's always the ones who do.

And another way to do it will be with Training Game. Many players don't want to wait 3 seasons to have his player on NT. If they see a chance of having him there, even if it is for only a game, I think they will try that. And even if they don't win, they'll go like "Wow, I've actually managed to get a great player!"

Other thing that many players aren't aware of, is that when training only one position, they'll get to the end of 2 seasons with 2 excelent players. And by selling one of them, they will get a lot of money to reinforce the other positions.

In the end of this past season, I had 2 players of 19 years. One of them was already shown here, the other was some steps behinddue to injuries. I sold the second one, and I got 750k. With that, I could easily get 2 players for my team. And their salaries were only 7 and 10k so that's not a problem

I would still like a detailed explanation of why you feel you've got the experience to run an NT program. You've played the game a few number of seasons. You mention that you have a Portugese top division manager willing to help, but I have yet to see him respond to anything here in this thread, so I cannot form an opinion of him. I have no proof that he's even agreed to be a part of your leadership team, but I do hope you're not just trying to conjure with the name of a random top division manager. The rest of your experience is in seeing players stats (I could look at the TL, but I don't consider it relevant and neither should anyone else), and setting the lineup for one scrimmage match?

Again, I don't feel you've got the experience to run this team from a tactical standpoint. Please show me that I'm mistaken, and actually respond to my posts. I believe it's possible one or two of the replies made were intended as response to what I wrote earlier, but I'm not sure about that as they were all addressed to elboss and didn't touch on many of the points I made.

If you had read all we had said you weren't asking that. All the events we showed were for that. And we forgot to mention another that would be a mentor sistem. Everyone who needed help would ask for a mentor, and this mentor would helping in everything. After some time, the pupil would be ready enough to continue by it own, and a new pupil would be given to the mentor

Other thing that many players aren't aware of, is that when training only one position, they'll get to the end of 2 seasons with 2 excelent players. And by selling one of them, they will get a lot of money to reinforce the other positions.

I disagree with you. Yes you might sell a player and make a 750k profit, but that leaves you with only 1 good player. I dont know what the level is off the leagues in Portugal, but in England in the top league a player worth 750k, even 1.5 million will not make any difference. I know it is a very long debate that has been going on for a very long time and opinions always disagree. SO before you say that I am implying you are wrong, this is not the case. I havent won antyhing yet, havent even gotten to the top division, however am I comparing my team all the time with other teams and I would say I am making great progress. Some people would most likely ask me why I am still not in the top league if I make such good progress. Well simple, I see this game as a very long term project and training is a lot easier in a lower division than a higher one. Secondly when I am in the top league I want to compete for competitive places and not battle against relegation. Call me conservative, but that is what I am like, whether people like it or not.



Last edited by Astragoth at 9/10/2009 10:45:10 AM

1st: If we were saying names without contacting them, do you think we would only chose 1? If you want to be sure, send him a bb-mail asking that. If he is not here, is because he is not having time. We had to change some things in scouting because he was not able to handle everything.

About the scrimmage, I just gave an example. For a player who follows his NT for over two years, and has access to Nt players' skills, the difference is between making the tactics for a team or a NT are not that big.
About experience, just because here in England a lot of people doens't has interest for the game, and only comes here to make the lineup, it doesn't mean that we are the same as them. In two years (actually 2 years and a half), I learnt what many people took 4 or more seasons to learn. And, even if we were unexperienced, we would allways have the help of jotapeq. He's not only applying for NT coach because he lacks of time for it. So I think experience is not a problem

Oh, and I would like you to ask your questions again, as I don't remember you asking them

Look, if people don't want to train players, that's because they don't know a lot about the game. So, they are in a low division. If they are in a low division, 750k would be a good help. And, in normal conditions, a player well trained,after 2 seasons would give at least 1.5kk.

In the case that we are not talking of a low divison team, 20k salary won't be such a diference, so the team can train 2 players for 1 more season, maybe 2. And that would surely give some profit.

And, if a player trains 2 positions, their players will get lower salaries but, instead of being 2 high salary players, there would be 5 medium salary players, so the difference would not be high.
As you said, this is a long term game, so losing 4 years to build a good team is not wasted time

ok let me continue from what I have said before.

bah this is my second attempt since BB timed out...

I have had a look and let me give you my opinion

These are our games and I am sure everyone agrees that the top spot is clearly for Germany... Let me give you my thoughts on game by game basis and show you the amount of active members in these countries. Off course this opinion is based on how countries performed in the past, obviously we dont know what their new crop off players would look like.

Germany 1259 active members world ranking 9
Finland 744 active members world ranking 26
Sweden 347 active members world ranking 29
Netherlands 371 active members world ranking 7
Andorra 26 active members world ranking 76
Azarbajzan 22 active members world ranking 82
Bosnia 546 active members world ranking 48
England 738 active members world ranking 49

9/21/2009 6:30:00 PM England U21 -- Deutschland U21 we dont stand a chance

9/28/2009 6:30:00 PM Suomi U21 -- England U21 if we get very lucky, our tactics right and they get theirs wrong we stand a small chance due to home court advantage, but only a very small chance.

10/5/2009 6:30:00 PM England U21 -- Sverige U21 they play the 2 easiest teams first and have home court advantage, no chance at all

10/12/2009 6:30:00 PM Nederland U21 -- England U21 ranked 7 in the world, no chance at all.

10/19/2009 6:30:00 PM Andorra U21 -- England U21 we will win

10/26/2009 6:30:00 PM England U21 -- Azərbaycan U21 we will win

11/2/2009 6:30:00 PM England U21 -- Bosna i Hercegovina U21 i think we stand no chance, i know world ranking wise we are equal, but basketball is a main sport in bosnia and their ranking is so low because for whatever reason they had a few walk overs in season 9 which I am sure would have affected their world rankings. Also they have home court advantage.

I will continue with this thread when I get home... I am currently at work.

As I said a few times before, I would see the U21 project more as a 4 year plan and not a 2 year one. So I do hope the english community would support me and work with me to achieve my goal to get the U21 qualified atleast once to the 2nd round.

Looking at the group we got, we got screwed and I dont think we will end in the top 4. So what to do? I would like to work with a squad off about 12-15 players, since this seems to be the standard that succesfull countries adopt, however I also would add some 18 or 19 year old future candidates, to give the coaches that own these players more the feeling that these players do make part off the future off the U21 team and perhaps this way involve them more so they will train them too. As I mentioned before, I would ask a coach to train these players in a certain way, however I wouldnt ask them to train them for the benefit off the U21 only. These teams have decent players, else they wouldnt be selected for the U21 team and I do hope the players can be usefull for their own team and the U21 team.

I would even consider playing these additional players on a regular basis. Yes I realise a risky and debatable subject, so in case I get chosen, I hope the english community will join in with such a debate. Let me explain what i mean by this, I had myself an U21 chilean player the last 2 season and although he did wasnt a starter, he did pop his experience this season as to where my other ace trainees bought at the same time didnt. Perhaps a coincidence, but i doubt it. I dont know how much experience matters, but I do think it matters. Imagine we dont qualify and end up in a consolidation group, why not try and raise the experience for players that most likely will make it in the next U21 instead off playing the current U21 players.

However these are just ideas, ideas I would like to debate with the english community, I can have as many ideas as I want, but running the U21 and National team is team work for the whole community and not a 1 man show...