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125704.115 in reply to 125704.114
Date: 1/2/2010 5:28:43 PM
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Consider it a one position training...Handling/Driving/Jump shot for PF only...I know it's slower but you get your results...But yea,maybe there should be C's only options for passing/jump shot/etc..Playing your SG at PG to traing outside defense isn't out of position whereas playing your C as PF is right...


Well,I as a guard trainer have to admit that I must train 6 skills to get a decent guard,when the big men trainers only have to train 3...It's faster for them to build their team...


See what I did there??Grass is always greener on the other side..

I want what all men want...I just want it more.
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125704.116 in reply to 125704.115
Date: 1/2/2010 5:43:22 PM
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Again U CANT train 1 position PF. By the time u have to win games too. No argument here. Not any case at all. The fact is that u can always have a G with some passing and use him as a PG. Something that cant be said when u train big men.

If u dont care to win then everything its easy, but then u r called farm team.

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125704.118 in reply to 125704.116
Date: 1/2/2010 6:02:02 PM
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Johny listen to me.You train a SF as I know and from the new seoson you will train his outside skills.What will you do?Won't you put him out of his position?Of course!!But after some seasons of trainning he will be a great rounded SF.Why don't you do that also with your big men? (and put them defending as C if you want)You will say that you try to win every game.Why??For example you played with Gold Towers.Of course you can't win them.Why didn't you do training?Yes you will lose,but in play offs you will be stronger,now will you be?Yes it's easier to train a PG than a rounded C,but the most difficult is to train a SF.However you're doing this!Why don't you try the same with C?

EDIT:Exactly what Josef-Ka says!!Why are you trying to do 22-0??Of course you can't!So do some smart trainning ;)

Last edited by yperihitikos at 1/2/2010 6:05:21 PM

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125704.119 in reply to 125704.95
Date: 1/2/2010 6:05:18 PM
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IMO, this is really a decision for managers to make. We designed the game engine so that, like with every other comparison, it is the relative skills that matter. I think you have probably noticed by now that against, say, a player with tremendous inside scoring, the difference between atrocious and respectable inside defense is actually not that great, because the inside scorer is going to be dominant in all of these cases. It is for this same reason that, against a tremendous inside scorer, you shouldn't expect that an improvement in shot blocking from atrocious to respectable will have a major impact. Against a respectable inside scorer, it will have a much larger impact.


but this is that what wonders in this case, an increase from respectable to good shot blocking is pretty low, and shot blockers who are better then most of their opposition don't act better then the guy, who never trained it(and least for the visible blocks, which should be in a similiar contribution like the unvisible ones). If i compare a respecctable ID with a sensationell ID, i notice a big difference because the opponents gots a mismatch - if i do the same the only thing i notice that i get a higher payroll andd hit the cap earlier.(and maybe do 0,2 blocks more)

About the other secondaries i am more in your opionion, even if the impact of the game is lot smaller then of an additionell main skill train.(the JS doesn't seem to give me real missmatches on C, but small ones are better then none when they don't cost you too much)

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125704.120 in reply to 125704.117
Date: 1/2/2010 6:08:08 PM
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U can do it for a few games, thats how i am training JS for my big men but if u r league have 4-5 very closed teams 1-2 losses more means court advantage.

Anyway i am not saying that we dont have options. We have but for what price? especially compared to guards trainers. This is exactly my problem

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125704.121 in reply to 125704.112
Date: 1/2/2010 7:26:52 PM
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Again try to put u r C as SF having 1-2 OD. Tell me the results after

You are not obliged to choose a big man with OD 1 for your team. Many do otherwise.

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125704.122 in reply to 125704.120
Date: 1/2/2010 7:33:19 PM
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Just for the record: tonight tow of my players guarding Pg and Sf respectively (Man to man) with repsectable and strong shot blocking skill had 4 and 5 blocks. To be specific - those two had the highest shot blocking skilly of my lineup and others scored one block or none. Yes, it was a blowout, expected and I didn't care about the win this time, yet I am no farm team. Surprise?

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125704.123 in reply to 125704.120
Date: 1/2/2010 9:02:09 PM
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I really wasn't into the mood to start replying your points and when I see so many people doing it, I just to decided to add that there is no such a pain to have to train your C as a PF when he has OD 1 or 2. Just switch defensive roles with your PF so can have his higher OD at defense.

Yes, you will still have a lower performance but remember the trade off between low term and long term. Maybe you are just trying to defend something you were really sure -and some others are too- without really listening what others might be saying or the experiences they might have had.

Just trying to give you another perspective of the dialogue I'm seeing.

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125704.124 in reply to 125704.110
Date: 1/2/2010 9:11:41 PM
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If u r training 2 positions then 1 of u r big men has to play SF. U cant train 1 position PF.

This is no sms text, you don't have to pay for the extra characters :)

Last edited by Newton07 at 1/2/2010 9:12:40 PM

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125704.125 in reply to 125704.121
Date: 1/2/2010 9:22:14 PM
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You are not obliged to choose a big man with OD 1 for your team. Many do otherwise.

I agree. I find secondary skills for C-PF more important than for PG-SG. Passing and OD are very valuable for C-PF. They are a pain to train, that's why I would rather chose a trainee with lower primary skills but better secondaries.

For PG-SG, ID is quite important, but it trains with OD, so you can expect 1 or 2 pops in it. Reb is also useful, but it costs quite a lot in salary (and also in potential cap).

And last, I would pay to have the other teams in my league training SB :)

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