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Hang on, let me summerize really quickly before this thread gets closed, because it definitely had some good thoughts, but then it turned into ad hominem attacks and name calling.


Side A:
Yes, adding shotblocking will lower cost efficiency, but is necessary to beat LI team.

Side B:
Adding SB is not cost effective, only rational thing to do is to choose the most "bang for buck".


Basically the argument? Right?


Well, my two cents are looking at cost as a exponetial function, with each successive level of skills as less cost effective. Ideally, we would know how many "utils" a given skill would have, and could compare its cost. We could then make a rational judgement.

On the low end, SB is probably the most cost effective, probably up until prominent (10). Then it might be more cost effective to train OD, ID, etc. HOWEVER, there is an abundancy of LI teams, so while training SB might not be cost effective against your average, balanced team, the fact that you are more likely to encounter a LI team tips the scales towards SB (maybe only until 13, or 14).

While one might get a better overall defender by adding a level of OD instead of SB, because there are so many LI teams, it makes more economic sense in the long run to add the SB, since it will get "used" more often.


Lastly, the BBs seem to encourage balance, (SFs have lowest salaries, cross training, the elastic effect) so it seems out of character for them to make a useless or cost inefficent skill. just my two cents.


Oh, actually, lastly, we had a really good discussion, and I hope we can keep it going, but purely intellectually, lets try not to get emotionally attached to our arguments.

So the BBs just created a skill called shotblocking and made it so crappy and expensive that there is no point in training it? They wanted people fool enough to try train it and miserably fail?
Hardly.
rubbercube

So the BBs just created a skill called shotblocking and made it so crappy and expensive that there is no point in training it?

Yes,but it wasn't their will

They wanted people fool enough to try train it and miserably fail?

No,it wasn't their will,but the problem is that the effect of SB is not visible at the moment,and probably it's not visible because is too weak in general,and especially is too weak for the expenses that generate


Sb isn't more expensive than the other big man skills,the problem is that while everyone can appreciate the effect of higher IS,ID and REB on their big mans,the advantages of an higher Sb are minimal,and become negative when you sum this with the fact that SB is as expensive as IS,ID and Reb and you as manager have to optimize your economy
If someone can demonstrate with some evidences that SB is worth to be trained,I would easily accept it but these evidences actually doesn't exist,while only the negative aspects as the increased salary are clear

Well, if that is what you understood from my posts, it certainly is not what I thought I said or the message I intended to convey. I never said to train SB without any cost effectiveness calculations at all. Hell, I dont even train SB!!!! But I also dont bitch about not being able to stop LI.....

You can call it optimistic imagination if you want, and Ill be forthcoming and say No, I have not tested it. But I trust in the analysis that has been going on in the USA community recently, and it shows a strong correlation between SB and stopping all driving shots, and a bit less so for SB stopping inside shots.

If you look at what I've said, I've maintained the entire time that SB is how you stop driving shots, and that it helps to a lesser extent on inside shots.

This is an argument to use in a civil conversation
Can you show us the study and the results that come up from it?It's always interesting to learn something new,but until you claim about the efficacy of Sb and 2-3 defence without showing us why you state this,we have to rely on our informations who says that training SB is not effective for a single player and for the team

Because Dwight Howard is so good defensively (also because of his shot blocking skills), many NBA stars already claimed that they have to change their game when going against him. Even Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah were on that boat.

I don't see SB as a fix to the defense, but rather as a complimentary skill that makes you a better defensive player.