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but my argument is for Teams in DivI, not II.

No, Your arguments were for B3 competition, not for league or cup competition. Now You changed Your arguments.

If I was in the DivII & won the Cup I would be happy

What is difference to win cup if You are in 1st league instead of in 2nd league? You don't want to talk about good arguments for whole game, You want to talk about arguments good only for You.
If You have less incomes than other team in B3 - it's unfair for You. But if other team in B3 has less incomes than You - it's fair for You.

I have another idea and You should be happy, because this idea solves every problem - it gives chance for teams in small country to have better TV contract but it doesn't give unearned advantage. Every team created in 1st league in Cymru has TV contracts and marchendise on 5th league level. If this team win 1st league then his TV contracts and marchendise will increase to 4th league level. Etc, etc, and finally if this team win 1st league four times then his incomes will be on 1st league level. It will be fair. Because in big country if team is created in 5th division he has to be promoted 4 times (without relegation) to have incomes on 1st league level.

Last edited by B.B.King at 8/22/2011 6:18:58 AM

No, I actually never stated one way or the other, but to clarify......It's about my team & the Div I am in

I want to talk about "arguments" relative to me not "what if's & how about this" & it would only be unfair if most of the other teams in B3 where from DivII, then of course there is a parity between competitiors, but that isn't the case. Most teams in B3 are from other countries DivI's. Again, I'm not nessacarly saying there is anything wrong with the current setup, I was more looking for what it was I was missing as I thought I had covered all the bases. You know Crazyeye answered my question over a week ago.....right?

If you knew something that answered all the problems, why did you hold on to it for so long?
As for the solution, It's not a bad idea, but not a good one either.

Last edited by ClipCap at 8/22/2011 9:55:11 AM

For me current system is good. This idea is only for You.

Seems like everyone on here just wants to argue with you. I thought the relevant discussion ended weeks ago but people keep wanting to talk about other things.

Yeap, pretty much & I was only asking a question!!! lol
+1

Sorry, I missed your post. Didn't want you to think I was ignoring you
How can it be easier if other teams bring in more money than me? They can carry higher wages, have a deeper squad, move up world ranking so get the easier draw in B3 etc.
My Enthusium doesn't carry over & if it does, your current League Champ is playing TIE alot & still winning, I have them on Wednesday in what will be my first loss I'm sure. So I'm not seeing the advantage. There maybe one, but it's not making sense to me what you & BB King are saying. Money is money, you have more you can do more.
I can play cheaper players in my country to save my starters to play teams in B3. But their Starters are already better than mine cause of salary I cannot hold, unless I want to go Bankrupt. The average, average! salary of teams through the Table stage last season for B3 was $850k, or so. I'm maxed on $771k. Now I believe this is because of the World Ranking system, which I think is floored, so because I play lower teams, more often than not, I don't get those Gate Reciepts that others teams in the same division as me, playing the same Ranked team in there country as me, get.
Again, I'm not stating any kind of FACT, just what I am seeing at the moment, I have said that so many times now. So if there is something I am missing, please tell me. As I said before I thought I had all the bases covered, but that would not appear to be the case, so I'm trying to see what I have over looked.

Please imagine story like bellow.
User A wins 1M prize in January and he has to pay 20% of tax in December. So he has to pay 200k.
Meanwhile user B wins 10M prize in January and he has to pay 20% of tax as well. So he has to pay 2M in December.
And now user B cries and says: Am I missing something??? Why user A has to pay only 200k whilst I have to pay 2M? It's unfair. I lost 1,8M in this way.
Then user A says: Because You won 10M price instead of 1M. Still You have 8M meanwhile I have only 800k, so You have 7,2M more than me.
Then user B still cries: I don't say about prizes, I say about taxes. Please don't talk about prizes, they don't matter. It was in January, now we have December. And it's unfair. January and Deceber aren't connected, now we have December and I have to lost 1,8M.
Then user A says: Taxes are equal for everybody - always 20%.
Then user B says: No, they aren't equal, because 2M isn't equal to 200k.
End of story.

Last edited by B.B.King at 8/22/2011 4:14:55 PM

i think so, he talks about the BBB competion where he need to lineup a similiar roster like the opposition but have less money.

Yes you can argue, that normal teams don't get their(especially not so fast), but on the other end it is also unlikely that he get the same econonic circumstances and oppurtunitys like his opposition he wants to face without tanking.

When you tank and earn money to attack later his situation have several upsides, and even if not he have it easier to tie. And most likely a higher Cup income in average.

But on the ther end if he not tank cause he like the serious play and the competion, he have some disadvantages against other teams like fewer merch, fewer TV and fewer arena income*. And less possible tie during the cup.

And it isn't and argument that he get easy there, while other don't. And i understand his ambition, cause in BBB is probadly the funnier event for him because he have serious games there without playing worse on purpose. But if i remember correctly he already saw, that this is nearly impossible to make it 100 fair and that he also have advantages. But sometimes this discussion is repaeating in circles in my eyes(don't know why i still read it).

* to advertise my own thread, maybe the competion don't have a impact on attandance at least mine is very constant the last games:
(194378.1) here are some theorys about it, but still nothing which really convinced me but 1-2 possible scenarios.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 8/22/2011 4:23:55 PM

But the winning money from both leagues is about the same,not the numbers you use though I get your point, minus the extra rounds teams in larger countries play in there Cup, compared to ours.

Last edited by ClipCap at 8/22/2011 4:41:09 PM

Somebody has to lose in order that somebody could win.
How many teams in history won B3 in their 7th season in game or earlier? (excluding early wins of Torooo in first 6 seasons in BB)? No one. Every B3 champion joined to BB in season 3 or earlier. And excluding one case (Los Dragones which joined to BB in 2nd season and it was 2nd season in Argentina) always it was first season in their countries. So if OP will not win B3 in this season it will be not result of smaller TV contract. There are hundreds more important factors.
And I'm sure that if in future B3 will be won by team which joined to B3 in season 10 or later, it will team from small country, not from big country. And examples of Scorpions and Sharman only prove fact, that teams from small country have easier way to win B3.