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From: shikago
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Date: 1/8/2012 7:03:33 AM
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wow, just noticed my cup opponent played 3 starters 110 min last week... & all 3 are still in strong GS!?!

just in general, can a team get away with doing that once or twice a season without much harm to GS? I'd think it's a fluke if only 1 guy, but all 3... wondering if my assumptions about GS have been wrong?

i still remember when i kept my best player under 60 min. the *entire* season. & even trained GS going into the playoffs to guard against BB screwing me over.... The result: you guessed it, respectable GS...!! -_-

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From: Azariah

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I can't speak to the 110 guy, but I've found that (with a massage doc), the sweet spots w/o training GS are 72-80 minutes for most of my players. I think the general consensus of 48-60 minutes that you find in generals is wrong, and that most players "need" 66-72 minutes in a typical week, and that a massage doc lets you exceed the 72 minutes by 4-8 minutes. Some players on my team can even routinely handle 85-90 minutes with the massage doc (though some *cough*Parsons*cough* don't like that many minutes).

From: cws33

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Date: 1/8/2012 9:08:51 AM
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I agree this you in that I think the 48-52 (maybe a little higher but in that range) seems lite for some players. I have always wondered if there was a stamina factor as well as playing time the previous week....

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Date: 1/8/2012 10:21:46 AM
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From my experience game shape is influenced by the players' minutes from multiple weeks. Also, I'm pretty sure the minutes from a previous season can affect game shape in a current season, which makes the game shape reset somewhat misleading. In the final week of a season I played someone like 140 minutes and in the following season their GS didn't pop until almost the all-star break, despite getting the same minutes as players who had reached proficient GS several weeks earlier and sustained it.

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Date: 1/8/2012 10:30:45 AM
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I must agree that I have had some weird things after the GS "reset," so I tend to agree with you there.

Cws
From: shikago
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Date: 1/8/2012 12:09:52 PM
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(oops, thought this was the S18 thread. -1 ball for carelessness)

thanks for the replies everyone.

when i trained GS in past seasons, i remember multiple players in the 65-75 min range actually *dropping* in GS!! yes, you read that right. many times 2 or 3 players per GS training dropped! (not always the same guys btw). that's why i was initially *stunned* that not just 1, but all 3 of his players w/ 110 min have strong GS. never paid attention to what happens for just a one-off 3 game week though, so thought i'd ask.

will have to go back & find my data from training GS sometime. not exaggerating -- a few times the results had even been almost worse than expected had i *not* trained GS. well outside of a few scrubs in the 30-40 min range i didn't care about. (got boosted to proficient) and someone around 90 minutes that only dropped 1 level instead of the possible 2 levels otherwise.

From: Calum
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Date: 1/8/2012 2:35:15 PM
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From: jfarb
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From: cws33

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Date: 1/9/2012 12:12:19 AM
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I am in.

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I will put my team of all-Americans against any team of all canadians!

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