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181078.118 in reply to 181078.115
Date: 4/23/2011 7:37:06 AM
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Stajan's rise to naismith was very quick (as someone who started at roughly the same time as him, and faced him in div2), and he may not have done some of the things he ought to have (like building a large enough arena). I think this speaks more to the fact that this change was introduced without advance notice, because it does change the strategy Stajan may have pursued. Based on the previous rules, it made sense for him to go all in to promote to be able to get some quick cash and a high draft pick and worry about the arena later, now, teams may have to promote when they are ready to compete in the higher level and have the expectation to stay up there.
That said, even with the floor, Stajan will be able to make way more money than he would in div2 if he feels he's not ready and fields a team close to the salary floor, and will also get a high draft pick... so he will still benefit from being in Naismith even considering the lower fan survey he will have if he returns to div2 next season.

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181078.120 in reply to 181078.118
Date: 4/23/2011 4:31:38 PM
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That's a less effective form of tanking, and it requires financial dexterity as well as a wasted season. Stajan should be able to field a team containing as much salary as he can afford right now and at least try to avoid relegation. Then if he's not successful, his fans should appreciate the effort. Right now he doesn't even have that option.

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181078.121 in reply to 181078.120
Date: 4/23/2011 5:42:15 PM
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Stajan should be able to field a team containing as much salary as he can afford right now and at least try to avoid relegation. Then if he's not successful, his fans should appreciate the effort. Right now he doesn't even have that option.
I'm not entirely sure what that would look like, not as much penalties in the fan survey if people relegate? (I would support that) And what do you mean by as much as salary as he can afford? Stajan carried a $500+k/week team into Naismith, and imho would be competitive to stay if he didn't sell off his team.
I do agree it's a less effective form of tanking if he chooses to go that route, but disagree that it's a wasted season.

Last edited by Fresh24 at 4/23/2011 5:42:39 PM

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181078.122 in reply to 181078.121
Date: 4/23/2011 5:50:50 PM
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The point is that, had he not sold off his team, he'd be competitive but would still relegate, and would thus take a large hit in the fan survey. He'd then not have the extra money he's getting by shedding salary. So the floor doesn't help his cause at all.

Last edited by RiseandFire at 4/23/2011 5:51:02 PM

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181078.123 in reply to 181078.122
Date: 4/23/2011 7:25:17 PM
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do you mean he should still have high fan income even if relegate?!
then what is the competitive reason of leagues?

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181078.124 in reply to 181078.123
Date: 4/23/2011 10:59:50 PM
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It depends. To use an EPL example, if Blackpool relegates its fans won't stop supporting the team, but if West Ham or Blackburn relegate it will be considered a disaster. To fans, success is measured against expectations.

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181078.125 in reply to 181078.124
Date: 4/23/2011 11:43:30 PM
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It depends. To use an EPL example, if Blackpool relegates its fans won't stop supporting the team, but if West Ham or Blackburn relegate it will be considered a disaster. To fans, success is measured against expectations.


you mean new promoted in compare with old ones. true? or smalls vs bigs?


If first, I would agree. even would say they will have more fan support! 'cause they want to repeat it again.
maybe we need some more features to make a more similar virtual managing career ;)
for example if a new promoted team that competed well in new league but relegates, still keep its fan support. but how to measure "well competing"?

If second, I would say we have not clear small/big parameters here but budget amount! e.g. a team that has enough money to compete well but avoid then lose much more fan support after relegation :)

how is it? :)

Last edited by MJ at 4/23/2011 11:49:31 PM

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181078.126 in reply to 181078.125
Date: 4/24/2011 12:17:25 AM
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Newly promoted vs. old, yeah. But small vs. big budget could play a part. It comes down to this: How do fans measure success?

I agree though, these are all things that should have been considered before the implementation of the salary floor.

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181078.127 in reply to 181078.126
Date: 4/24/2011 2:44:14 PM
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Seems like all the veteran players are fine with the salary floor, while the upstart newer players who can't compete with the vet's monster stadiums, etc, can't.


I'll just leave it at that.

Last edited by Weather at 4/24/2011 2:45:40 PM

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181078.128 in reply to 181078.127
Date: 4/24/2011 3:54:18 PM
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As i said before. 3-4 seasons ago only top veterans teams were able to afford top end players. Now, average 2nd div.team can. I see some managers find veterans teams untouchable but draft system help them pretty much in considering whether to promote or not. I think 1 promoter is not enough to make game more fun for crowds. I see the system could change from two 8-teams div. To f.ex. Four 5-teams div. Where no of total games would be kept (2 promoters 4 demoters). But thats different story.. So in this system i see this feature reasonable.

Last edited by LA-zajino at 4/25/2011 2:40:06 AM

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