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262742.118 in reply to 262742.116
Date: 11/17/2014 4:54:38 PM
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With more ID the opponent will have less FGA. Is this ok?
With Nachtmahr and Trainerman explanations I believe that the open shot FG% depends on the shooting ability of the player and the defensive "team rating". Apparently if you have a C with 15 IS taking an open inside shot, he will score at a much higher percentage if he's facing an ID "team defense" of 10 rather than an ID "team defense" of 6. How much more I don't know, but individual ID on big men is the main contributor to this inside "team defence" (which is described in the team ratings in the boxscore), SB contibutes too, but much less.

So on top of keeping the opponent away from their paint and preventing open shots, ID should also reduce the open shot FG% when that is not successful.

Further, if theoretically you have 2 big men with 20 ID and 4 SB, you would not be in an ideal situation. Your high team ID rating will be extremely high, so the percentage of open inside shots faced will be low, but you won't have the SB to be successful in guarding those shots.

If conversely you have 7 ID and 20 SB, you also won't be in a great situation: lots of open shots where your monster SB won't help.

I can see why Nachtmahr is saying he likes to keep it close. Without being able to quantify the effects it's impossible to say whether 17-17 is better than 16-18 or 18-16. We know that SB is faster and cheaper to build though, so even if 18-16 was more efficient ultimately you might be better off with 17-17 from a training perspective.

In order to assess all this we'd need data to run regressions on the various skills, so that we can estimate how much they contribute to the ratings and to the statistics (meaningful statistics such as open shots FG%, guarded shot FG%). Something like this (for ratings) must have been done for the coefficients included in Coach Parrot. It requires large amounts of data, especially because in our case it would be best if both the offensive player stats and the defensive player stats (at least the differentials plus the team ratings which are always available) in the sample were known.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/17/2014 8:25:27 PM

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262742.120 in reply to 262742.119
Date: 11/18/2014 5:04:03 AM
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So in general OD and ID are most important for shot selection and what works out to be open shots, but I wouldn'T say SB is a complete non-factor.
That's what Nachtmahr said too, quoting BB-Charles. We all agree that SB also influences shot selection although not nearly as much as ID.

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262742.122 in reply to 262742.113
Date: 11/18/2014 10:52:44 AM
Zwölf
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You are missing a very important point here. SB alters shots. Your player could finish a game with 0 blks, but hold his opponent to 0-10 shots. The number of blocked shots isn't that important, it's the defensive benifit which counts. I have two bigs with a shot blocking ratio of 35%.
The first one has 5% shooting foul, 30% altered shots and 30% failed actions --> the opponent scored.
The second one has 0% shooting fouls, 53% altered shots and only 12% failed actions. You see, they have the same % of blocked shots but different impacts on my defense.

In this example, are the procentages of all cases where the particular player has tried to defend a shot (can be seen in the play-by-play as "somebody shoots...with your player defending closely" or other comment of that sort)? And then simply judging by the result like this: scored-->failed action, miss with no block--> altered shot, miss with block-->blocked, foul-->shooting foul. Or did I get it all wrong?

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262742.124 in reply to 262742.123
Date: 11/18/2014 11:29:59 AM
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The USA offsite allowed for a similar kind of analysis, but it isn't working for me anymore as I can't load any game.

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262742.125 in reply to 262742.123
Date: 11/18/2014 11:33:10 AM
Zwölf
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Thanks. Got to collect similar data of my own players too, as I'm building a 3-2-zone SB team, but currently have still two old school LI-centers.

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262742.127 in reply to 262742.121
Date: 11/18/2014 5:45:48 PM
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only part I disagree with 1 man can run the defense. this would depend on position also exp also said defense.

I assume Sutherland is a center.? A guards(pg/sg/sf can control the whole defense) you don't need to have of the strong as Sutherland but strong enough to hold the zones.

I have never had od that high as 14.. I had 10-12. I know if you get a dynamic sf with Id 13 /sb 12/od 15 you run them off the floor pretty much. With one man


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262742.128 in reply to 262742.127
Date: 11/18/2014 7:24:01 PM
Infested Warriors
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I bet this is the first time we see numbers of a dynamic SF.

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