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So you and other managers are going to quit if phyr doesn't win? That doesn't sound childish. As far as scouting, phyr has promised to continue scouting. I think that would be a great start to the new program. When he was scouting and not directing the operation, America brought home the gold. If he were to resign, then we have many other viable options in our stable.

basically. If I was Phyr and I lost the election I would fire all 3 of my world bigs. Two of them being the best bigs in that class. I don't think Phyr would scout for you. I'm not scouting if Phyr doesn't win and I'll fire my American bigs I picked up for U21. As coach you still have to scout. You are only one that knows everyone skills. You would have to call-up tons of players and get all their skills putting them in a spreadsheet. No one else can do that but you. All the scouts do is ask for training plans. WE ARE LUCKY TO MAKE IT OUT THE FIRST ROUND THAT'S THE TYPE OF TEAM WE HAD THIS YEAR. WE HAD NO BIGS OR PGs. ALL WE HAD SGs AND LOW PASSING INSIDE GUARDS. PHYR MANANGE TO GET A SLIVER. NO ONE ELSE IN BB WOULD OF BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. Phyr changed training plans and made gusty calls. We were playing for bronze and got sliver.

As I have said many times, we need a results based executive to this program. Someone who can sort through the gameplan thoughts of not only the experienced and talented minds we have in our structure, but those who will spend their entire BB career in D4 as well

lol I'm training some crazy builds right now while expanding my arena that's why I'm in D4. I know what I'm doing lol. This is my 3th time playing BB. Your funny and a great promoter. I'm not sure about you coaching skills for U21 though.

Last edited by Oreo Dunker at 8/7/2015 2:32:05 PM

basically. If I was Phyr and I lost the election I would fire all 3 of my world bigs. Two of them being the best bigs in that class. I don't think Phyr would scout for you. I'm not scouting if Phyr doesn't win and I'll fire my American bigs I picked up for U21.

This is wildly illogical. Do you work with the current administration a lot?

We were playing for bronze and got sliver.

Actually we were playing for the GOLD and we got the silver. In a game we should of won.
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This is wildly illogical. Do you work with the current administration a lot?

Just because I'm some lousy D4 managers currently doesn't mean I don't work with the off-siters. I'm not a terrible manger just because I relegated every season in IV but this season. I've just been changing my training plan alot but I've now made my mind up. I'm really involved with the off-site. I'm not the only off-siter who will stop training. They might not fire the players like I will but they will start secondary training most likely so it will benefit their club still. I planned on scouting players like I did last season. I scouted 20yr olds, who are 21yr old now, last season.

I think the off-site would have a job opening for you. You could be promoting US mangers to train U21/NT and telling NBBA/D2 teams to pickup NT players. You could get the forum pumped for our world seasons by coming up with nights. You could get more people involved with U21/NT.

Last edited by Oreo Dunker at 8/7/2015 3:00:55 PM

I wouldn't want to deal with a trainer like you if I won. I'd rather win without your players than be hostage to a manager completely loyal to another. The U21 will survive.

basically. If I was Phyr and I lost the election I would fire all 3 of my world bigs. Two of them being the best bigs in that class. I don't think Phyr would scout for you. I'm not scouting if Phyr doesn't win and I'll fire my American bigs I picked up for U21.

This is wildly illogical. Do you work with the current administration a lot?

Please do not quote me out of context.

Just because I'm some lousy D4 managers currently doesn't mean I don't work with the off-siters. I'm not a terrible manger just because I relegated every season in IV but this season. I've just been changing my training plan alot but I've now made my mind up. I'm really involved with the off-site. I'm not the only off-siter who will stop training. They might not fire the players like I will but they will start secondary training most likely so it will benefit their club still. I planned on scouting players like I did last season. I scouted 20yr olds, who are 21yr old now, last season.

Firing value from your team is illogical.

I understand that you feel your community is threatened and under attack. The same way I felt that my community was under attack after seeing the results of the U21 worlds finals.



Last edited by GOLDMEMBEAR at 8/7/2015 3:15:06 PM

I'd be willing to train you since you are an off-siter. Just not the cabal

Wow. This thread has blown up in more ways than one and at the risk of a hasty generalization, pretty much everyone who's posted in this thread has embarrassed themselves, myself included.

We have the current U21 manager being fairly antagonistic in his defense (to be fair, he is being antagonized and criticized very unfairly).

We have the two biggest contenders doing their very best to piss off the most involved member of their constituency:

Thegame187 basically saying he has no intention of using the offsite and he believes himself to be better than everyone else so he doesn't see the value in getting opinions from the offsite community, most of whom he believes to be inferior. Debatable, highly offensive.

Godbear blatantly misrepresenting Phyr, misrepresenting the US, and misrepresenting himself. I'm still not sure if his campaign is a joke but it's really not funny. He portrays Phyr as having lost a game we should have won. The claim that we should have won is more debatable than he seems to think; I don't think Godbear has any evidence to support his claim that we should have won other than this belief that since we're the US, we must have been better than France. He also blatantly misrepresents the argument for Phyr as "because E.B.W. and Phyr say so" while ignoring Phyr's qualifications and everything he's done right to help the NT. And he talks about the USA as "my community" and such grandiose rhetoric, when the reality is, if the USA National Team is "his community", he hasn't shown any sign of it--has never said a word or lifted a finger to help at any point in the past.

Nova Nation saying that U21 trainers should quit/fire their trainees if Godbear or thegame187 is hired. I think this is an inappropriate sentiment if you really want to help the U21 national team and only serves to strengthen the otherwise spurious argument that getting Phyr into office is more important than electing the right person for the job. However, I also think it illustrates perfectly the kind of backlash that Godbear and thegame187 are stirring up for themselves. It just isn't good politics or good business to elect leaders or managers who are going to break apart a well-established, successful organization and who have alienated the people who provide support and insight and who also control the means of production (the players themselves). If this were a real life campaign of any kind, any expert would tell you they don't deserve to win for how they've conducted themselves.

Like it or not, electing Godbear or thegame187 is going to severely cripple the United States U21 National team. That's just politics. Even if they could be superior managers to Phyr in a vacuum, they have been so unnecessarily antagonistic that they will cost the USA NT the support of the offsite community (which whatever they say can demonstrably be shown to have a substantial impact on the results of games over several seasons). Among other things, this includes the scouting of future U21 prospects and opponents provided by the offsite managers and many of the elite U21 prospects controlled by those same managers. That's an immense loss and one that we can't afford.

+1. I wholeheartedly agree.

I don't think anyone is going to fire their trainees over this, a lot of the frustration in the posts is due to some of the stubborn provocation of others, and there are a few emotional reactions. I think when people come back to this thread in a couple of hours they'll think "wow, that was silly."

To be honest, whether we won or lost the world's game was irrelevant to me. Sure, I would've preferred that we won, but I was very happy that the USA made it to the championship for the third straight time, and even with a less than desired roster. I'm just happy that we've done such a good job as a country over the past several seasons, being very competitive with both Sr. and Jr. national teams. If we get a silver again this season, I don't think that's such a bad thing either, there's plenty of countries that haven't won anything at the international level. What we have is something to be proud of, and any arguments about winning or losing one game are rather silly.

TL;DR as an USA manager, I'm frustrated at some things that have been said, but I'm even more frustrated that we aren't appearing to be very thankful for the program and success that we've had and will continue to have, with or without Phyr.

Wow. This thread has blown up in more ways than one and at the risk of a hasty generalization, pretty much everyone who's posted in this thread has embarrassed themselves, myself included.

Lots of sassiness indeed. :P