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So in general OD and ID are most important for shot selection and what works out to be open shots, but I wouldn'T say SB is a complete non-factor.

That's what Nachtmahr said too, quoting BB-Charles. We all agree that SB also influences shot selection although not nearly as much as ID.

So guys, I show you something which is exactly what we discuss here: team defense (OD/ID), the amount of defended shots and SB.
For the last five seasons I played with a strong OD (OD 14-17) line up on PG, SG and SF. And as a C I had Sutherland.

season 24: Sutherland defended 11.9 shots/game
season 25: Sutherland defended 14.8 shots/game
season 26: Sutherland defended 12.7 shots/game (here I played with a OD 11 SF for the whole season)
season 27: Sutherland defended 14 shots/game
season 28: Sutherland defended 15.3 shots/game (wih 136 blks in 25 games, nr. 1 in BB)

and now this season after I sold my OD guys and have only one of them left.
season 29: Sutherland defends 10.1 shots/game

He's playing the same minutes, has almost the same blocking rate (30-35%) and shooting foul rate (6-10%). My opponents are the same. So there was no big change.
But because of the lack of OD on two of my first three positions there are more open shots for my opponents. They can exploit my current OD weakness and pass the ball to open players. During season 24-28 I hold my opponents to 10-12 assists per game. This season it's up to 15. That's a raise of 20-50%.
And here we are back again at the starting point. You have to balance your team. I have one of the best in-the-paint defenders but I can't use him effectively because of his teammates. And it wouldn't help me if Sutherland has ID 20 and SB 20. One guy can't control the whole defense...

You are missing a very important point here. SB alters shots. Your player could finish a game with 0 blks, but hold his opponent to 0-10 shots. The number of blocked shots isn't that important, it's the defensive benifit which counts. I have two bigs with a shot blocking ratio of 35%.
The first one has 5% shooting foul, 30% altered shots and 30% failed actions --> the opponent scored.
The second one has 0% shooting fouls, 53% altered shots and only 12% failed actions. You see, they have the same % of blocked shots but different impacts on my defense.

In this example, are the procentages of all cases where the particular player has tried to defend a shot (can be seen in the play-by-play as "somebody shoots...with your player defending closely" or other comment of that sort)? And then simply judging by the result like this: scored-->failed action, miss with no block--> altered shot, miss with block-->blocked, foul-->shooting foul. Or did I get it all wrong?

In this example, are the procentages of all cases where the particular player has tried to defend a shot (can be seen in the play-by-play as "somebody shoots...with your player defending closely" or other comment of that sort)?

Yes.

And then simply judging by the result like this: scored-->failed action, miss with no block--> altered shot, miss with block-->blocked, foul-->shooting foul. Or did I get it all wrong?

Also correct.

I have an excel sheet were I have just to insert the amount of defended shots, missed shots, shooting fouls and blocks. And than I get the percentages and all kind of other numbers like starting 5 defense etc.

The USA offsite allowed for a similar kind of analysis, but it isn't working for me anymore as I can't load any game.

Thanks. Got to collect similar data of my own players too, as I'm building a 3-2-zone SB team, but currently have still two old school LI-centers.

only part I disagree with 1 man can run the defense. this would depend on position also exp also said defense.

I assume Sutherland is a center.? A guards(pg/sg/sf can control the whole defense) you don't need to have of the strong as Sutherland but strong enough to hold the zones.

I have never had od that high as 14.. I had 10-12. I know if you get a dynamic sf with Id 13 /sb 12/od 15 you run them off the floor pretty much. With one man

I bet this is the first time we see numbers of a dynamic SF.

if you get a dynamic sf with Id 13 /sb 12/od 15

I think he clearly stated he was building 18/18/18 (OD/ID/SB)...

In my league (D2), there are many people with with 50-55 OD in the 1-3 positions (including myself), some are actually closer to 55 than 50, so I'm not sure where you got the idea we're talking about a one-man-show. He mentioned one player, but his other trainees probably have seen similar developments, just on a different scale if their skills were a bit lower.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/18/2014 7:57:18 PM