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From: bik_76

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Date: 10/4/2009 7:46:00 PM
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fact - stamina is more important when you play haste tactics (look, push, run) than slow tactics. and M2M defence is more exacting than zones ...

and my opinion - stamina is more important when you play equal match, players are exhaussed earlier. but this is only my opinion.


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Date: 10/4/2009 7:49:43 PM
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fact - stamina is more important when you play haste tactics (look, push, run) than slow tactics.

This has been alleged multiple times, but it's far from a fact.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 10/4/2009 7:49:58 PM

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Date: 10/4/2009 8:52:26 PM
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Ok, this is only frequently opinion of experienced managers.

Do you think that "stamina is more important when you play haste tactics (look, push, run) than slow tactics" is not right?

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Date: 10/5/2009 8:04:56 AM
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The primary importance of pace is shot selection: faster-pace tactics have lower criteria for quality shots. This does not imply that teams expend more stamina in the process, though it certainly doesn't rule it out.

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Date: 10/5/2009 11:26:58 AM
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Allright, how about this scenario:

Last week I, a Level V team, played a Level III in a Cup Match. I went CT and it appears he went Normal.
The final score was 86-81 and I even had the lead a few times in the last two minutes.

Is it possible that the fact my team has an average Stamina of around 4.5 mean that I start missing more shots in
the final minutes? That is, combined with the facts that I was trying harder (and presumably, tiring faster)?

As a side note, they were actually beating me worse in the first half. My team made a big charge with about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.

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Date: 10/5/2009 11:40:30 AM
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Allright, how about this scenario:

Last week I, a Level V team, played a Level III in a Cup Match. I went CT and it appears he went Normal.
The final score was 86-81 and I even had the lead a few times in the last two minutes.

Is it possible that the fact my team has an average Stamina of around 4.5 mean that I start missing more shots in
the final minutes? That is, combined with the facts that I was trying harder (and presumably, tiring faster)?


There is nothing in the rules saying that if you try harder that you tire faster. My presumption is that your team attitude has no impact on stamina.


As a side note, they were actually beating me worse in the first half. My team made a big charge with about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.


Again, I do not think judgements can be made for stamina based on collapses in the 4th quarter. There are too many factors at play (experience, for example, can have an impact on your late game performance). The stamina level of your opponent also plays a factor. I also believe that stamina collapses are not limited to the 4th quarter. If you play a player with bad stamina for all of the 1st quarter, you will see him collapse even in the 1st quarter.

It also depends how you played the game. For example, if you go let coach decide, your manager should (in theory) always keep your best line-up out there.

The other thing to consider is this. I play with players who have pretty high levels of stamina. Because of that, my starters usually play close to 40 minutes. This is probably not an optimal strategy, since as I said, even players with great stamina are dog tired after playing 40 minutes.


Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 10/5/2009 11:40:48 AM

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114029.18 in reply to 114029.13
Date: 10/5/2009 6:10:20 PM
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fact - stamina is more important when you play haste tactics (look, push, run) than slow tactics.

This has been alleged multiple times, but it's far from a fact.


Is this your opinion or some GM-knowledge?

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Date: 10/5/2009 6:16:16 PM
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to be a fact you should have a proof, and this one is missing ;)

I also thought to found that in the rules some times ago but i was wrong, the BB didn't stated anything like it. So it is possible but not an fact.

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Date: 10/5/2009 6:21:57 PM
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to be a fact you should have a proof, and this one is missing ;)

I also thought to found that in the rules some times ago but i was wrong, the BB didn't stated anything like it. So it is possible but not an fact.


I already realized that he did not provided a "proof", but bilker_76 or kozlodoev might have had some basis different than experience in order to put it in that way. I was looking for it.

Last edited by Zero, the Magi. at 10/5/2009 6:23:35 PM

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Date: 10/5/2009 6:25:43 PM
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Nope. I just haven't seen anything which makes it a fact. So it might be possible or probable, but definitely not a fact.

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Date: 10/5/2009 7:24:00 PM
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I already realized that he did not provided a "proof", but bilker_76 or kozlodoev might have had some basis different than experience in order to put it in that way. I was looking for it.


The only evidence I have seen as "proof" is minutes played. Someone once made a vague reference to me that their starters play more minutes in a slower pace than in a faster pace.

However, I personally have attributed that to the fact that possessions tend to be longer in a slower pace. There are less stoppages in play and therefore less of a chance for the coach to make subs.

Also, consider the fact that the BBs specifically mention in the rules that full court press has an effect on stamina. However, there is no mention of stamina under the discussion of pace.

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