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143660.12 in reply to 143660.5
Date: 5/12/2010 7:27:58 AM
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thanks for that - I agree that Ellsworth is head and shoulders above this guy and he is my star trainee I suppose what I am looking at is - is it better to drop a trainee who is 21 (Singh who has decent skills already but will start to slow down in pops) and start training this new guy alongside Ellsworth - I agree that Bradwell is a good player and has reasonable skills as well but is also 21 and so will slow down - so really do I carry on 1 postiion training with Ellsworth Singh and Bradwell or drop one or both of the older ones for a 19 yo?

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Lambaw :0)

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143660.13 in reply to 143660.11
Date: 5/12/2010 8:19:44 AM
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You answered the title of this thread. The detailed question that was asked... Let me see if I can find it...

Just bought this guy and think he was good value as a 19y/o but wondered what other people think I am currently training 1 position training at pg or sg and was going to train this guy as well. What do the pros think??

I don't profess to be a pro by any means, but I know that when he has at least 3 better training options, the answer that makes sense to me is "This player is not of good value (to this specific team!) as you have at least 3 better candidates in the 2 positions you would train him in. These 3 players would not only have a better chance of training to a higher level of player, they will also be of greater value should you decide you need a better player in another position. You could train in multiple positions, but as your team is a good well rounded team for your division, you will need an aggressive approach if you wish to catch up to the teams in the next division should you be promoted."

For the record I will once again say that I said he is good value to 90% of lower division teams, but that he was not suited to his teams situation with there already being too many better options. Also I will say that your situation is much different as you started when the game was still rather young and had a lot less margin between you and the higher ranked teams, therefore team training was and still is the best strategy as you can maintain a good, equal roster. But it is an uphill struggle trying that same strategy trying to build a team almost from scratch to try and compete against the teams who have many seasons headstart on you.

I am aware that he doesn't need MVP's and HOF's in his team (note how my main trainee is allstar), but if he has 2 of them and is buying a star in the same position, it is counter productive for his situation. Not only is the star going to cap earlier reducing the quality of player, he will also have less of a resale value reducing the benefit of training over one with more potential. Therfore his team will not benefit by training him over the other 3 options. And as for my training, my player is rated as the starting SG in the U21 national team because he is well rounded. All the skills you listed that go a long way all pop quicker in single position.

And I never once said your player wasn't good. His skills are incredibly well rounded and I commend you for that. What I was saying is that he could have been trained a lot faster than that and my trainee whos skills I listed will have much higher skills at 25 if still being trained in single position. I can see what you are saying about how your strategy works for you, but your strategy is nothing like mine (and the situation being discussed) where you need to get almost instant progression rather than maintain a standard. I am over trying to explain now.

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143660.14 in reply to 143660.13
Date: 5/12/2010 9:17:02 AM
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If He is seriously going to resold then just get a 18 yrs old guy and sell him in a season or 2 but both methods have its advantages.

I think:
2 position training = more guys train, more money from fringe player (the other 3 players that are not your focus), better team all-round faster.

1 position training = not worth it unless you have 3 great potential AND great starting skills (at least 5k salary with respectable in skills that matters. Big man must have big man skills not just 1 resp and 2 resp in bloody handling and driving. nice to have when you have respectable in your 3 Inside skills ) AND 18 yrs old . Your team will be sloppy for a while and you will have to get rid of 1 of them sooner or later since salary-wise is not smart just for a backup and you have to go out and buy players and start new training plan.

I guess 2 position training is building team and 1 position training is building your team around 2 guys or 1 guy...

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143660.15 in reply to 143660.13
Date: 5/12/2010 10:01:59 AM
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Touche'.
Everything you say makes good sense.

I never said you said he was a bad player. You said that multi-position training is a waste of value, and since JCC has received no more than 4 single-position trainings since I bought him, that would make him a waste of value. Which is what I disagree with. If I had trained him at single position training, the other players on my team would not be anywhere near as good as they are now, nor would the players I have since sold.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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143660.17 in reply to 143660.16
Date: 5/12/2010 11:45:37 AM
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Clearly the potential increases a player's resale value, as does having high jump shot or high inside scoring. Which is why buying a player of lower potential and training him to say this:

Weekly salary: $ 21 353
Age: 25
Height: 6'3" / 190 cm
Potential: starter
Game Shape: proficient

Jump Shot: sensational Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: prominent Handling: proficient
Driving: prominent Passing: proficient
Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: strong Free Throw: mediocre

makes a lot of sense for any but the top maybe 30 or 40 leagues. This player is my backup PG, SG, and SF. Not flashy but he gets the job done.

I agree also with the one-on-one training for forwards. Has been one of my favorites.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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143660.18 in reply to 143660.17
Date: 5/12/2010 1:54:55 PM
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If he had a better potiential its would be a good trainee. But he has "only" star potiential, so maybe look for some better potiential next time ;-).