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i agree with almost all the people here

it is a fun and interesting idee and we would all want to hear about it

i agree with others too that say that you wont make a lot off progress with this approach.

im sick of reading about the same cookie cutter teams all day

could you please try explain more what cookie cutter teams are? i chat quite a bit with several different people (that take the team seriously) and not one has the same opinion on about how to train players, how the GE works etc

I also have been looking at high end guards. and i bought two. there were so many different trained players available that i just bought two i liked and got a deal for. there were so many different guards with so many different skill sets. it was really confusing.

you are right, there are teams with players like ID 20, IS, 20, RB 20 and SB 20 and the rest all atrocious skills, quite a few too, but there are many teams out there too with fun players.

i dont want to get into whether this is a good player or not. because than we get a huge useless discussion because everyone has a different opinion. but this is not a cookie cutter player and there are loads and loads like him out there...

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/8944017/overview.aspx

what i mean by that is
when u read the forums here u just see the same suggestions about mono role players all day long
and i thought this would be really original and fun, obviously i will never become the best team here at buzzer beater
but even if i took the same approach most do, there is so much competition that i wouldnt have a huge chance to become the best anyways lol

so i wanted to do something really unique and interesting
i think it will be alot of fun to see how a completely well rounded team would fare

ive decided to stick with 2 position training so i plan to trot out 3 different lineups
im going to mix my talent, i will have a game 1 of week lineup, game 2 of week lineup and scrim lineup mostly consisting of the players trying to catch up to the rest or less skilled players

i have a 16th player as an injury alternate to fill in in case of injury he will be less skilled then all others gustavo neto is the guy i plan on doing this with because he is so limited in potential

this week i will train rebounding, everyone assumed i take it that id be doing nothing but team training but i plan more to train efficient and 2 position seems the best, 1 position is just for nt guys or possible sale players to make money to me, but when u look at training an entire team seems 2 position and getting six guys a chance at a pop would work best since its actually percieved to be more then half as effective as single position etc etc, ive been reading the forums and faq's and game manuals alot

Sounds like an interesting plan. I'd say if you are up for experimenting then go for it. However, don't expect to be successful. In fact, don't expect to get out of Australian Div III with that sort of lineup.

Fact is, a all rounded player is still going to be smashed by specialist players.

e,g a C with all skills at 7 (will prob be listed at SF) (also this is 7 x10 skills) is not going to be able to match up against a C with 15 ID, 15 IS, 15 Reb and the other 25 skills spread over the other skills.

Your RnG tactic is also flawed as your player will not out rebound a specialist C with better rebounding skills



Last edited by Monkeybiz at 11/8/2010 8:56:09 PM

I doubt you will find any centers with triple marvelous inside skills in Div. IV Australia, so no need to worry about that. What's more, I'm not so sure that well rounded players get smashed by specialist players. There are players in my division with 20 JS who routinely get schooled by my well-rounded players.

Nope there aren't any triple marvelous inside players in Div 4 but I was just giving that as an example.

What I was refering to are rounded specialist players (e.g a C that has 10 ID, 10 IS, 10 RB) not one dimensional specialist players (e.g a C with 20 IS, 5 ID and 5 REB).

A well rounded specialist player is much better than a all skills rounded SF trying to play C.

wow first game down, i lost obviously i dont expect these guys to win much for a while
but the rebounding numbers were nuts
the two i was training at C and PF got a combined ~50 rebounds
and my shooting guard got ten

out rebounded the opposing team by 20 rebounds but neither team shot well but yikes lol

Well, just to see if your thesis was true, I played my allskills well-rounded backup SF at C and my allskills well-rounded starting SF at PF last night. Here's what happened:
Center
My guy 41k salary
C J. Castañé 43 8 - 14 2 - 3 2 - 2 4 18 4 1 2 0 0 20 10.5
His guy 60k salary
C G. Dukats 33 0 - 1 0 - 0 0 - 0 2 18 1 3 0 0 6 0 10.5


Power forward
My guy 59k salary
PF J. Toquchar 41 5 - 15 2 - 5 3 - 4 0 9 2 0 2 1 0 15 10.5
His guy 84k salary
PF L. Daowen 41 6 - 15 3 - 4 3 - 4 2 17 4 3 0 0 5 18 10.0

Here is the game:
(26716858)

Take from it what you will. To me there is no question that both of my players are far better players than his two and I would expect them to hold their own out of position thanks to their complete games. In the Center's case, he not only held his own but completely outplayed his opponent.

interesting results there, although the stats seem dominated by the opposing teams more traditional player
your player outperformed them in value?
maybe kind of the old warriors style is what im going for, screw matching up with them, make them match up with me
sure their center will our rebound me, but can he out rebound my entire team of better then average rebounders?
can he guard my 6'2 player playing out of position on the perimeter?
all kinds of theories here will be tested, what u did is intriguing though, i fear one game is too small of a sample size and so much can factor into this but its great motivation to try

ok i think ive figured out how im going to show my progress
ive decided to split this into three team rotation of five players

team a will be my best lineup used for the harder game of the weak
team b will be my second best lineup used for the easier league game of the week
and team c will be my players that are lagging behind and getting their training from scrimmage minutes

i figured out a way to weight the values of the skillsets of the players involved, at least its what i plan on using
and this will dictate my teams week by week they can slide from one lineup to another as skils increase

i weight their skills like so..... since these are short players i take their big man skills overall value say quad pitiful (i have none this bad lol) and weight that twice since those will be harder to obtain the pops in
so say mr quad pitiful has level 2 at each skill, times four big man skills rb is id sb that would give him an added weight of 8 that i add to the total of his entire skills, so say he has 50 total sum of other skills i assign this player a value of 58 to show that he is further along in big man skills and more valuable to this team since its hard to get pops on a lil guy at the skills

once i get everyones big man skiils to at least proficient i will then move on to guard skills untill caps are reached

ok so i will create a google spreadsheet document and share the link as i start getting data
next week will be the first full week for this experiment

so the lineup breakdown will go as follows as a descending value of my sum of skills plus double weight to big man skills sorting method
if a player is injured he will be moved to scrim squad and the best player from scrim squad will move to team b and best player from team b will move to team a etc etc, every week i will resort and set the squads for that week before the first game of the week takes place
i will be training 2 position training using a lineup of only 5 players (dont want blow out substitutions to screw up training) also this will help me manage gameshape pretty easily since each squad will only play on 48 min game a week, if they foul out no big deal i can live with that lol


team a
player a
player b
player c
player d (will receive training)
player e (will receive training)

team b
player f
player g
player h
player i (will receive training)
player j (will receive training)

scrim team
player k
player l
player m
player n (will receive training)
player o (will receive training)

i hope this makes sense lol
the google doc when ready should make it much easier to follow