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I think no problem with my previous reply, its about the 100k++ for staff instead of a player.

Funding 100K for a staff instead of a player is actually a short term thing.

If you look at it long term, if the rate of skills increasing is increased then it is actually faster for players to reach $100K salary. So in the end (after 3-4 seasons), you will not only need to fund a 100K staff but also a 100K player.
And if we want to aim for the stars, target should be 200K for the players. So ultimately it will be 200K for player and 100K for trainer if using your strategy.

Ultimately it depends on the objective. If the objective is only to improve the U21 team, then yes, having the highest level trainer will definitely have a huge impact.
But if the objective is to improve the Senior NT team, then having the level of trainer above level 5 is not as huge impact as there is no age limit for NT so you just need to train extra few weeks with Superior trainer compared to training with a World Renown trainer.

As NT coach, I will surely support Zhou to be trained continuously, as it will only benefit Malaysia's NT. It's really up to you whether you want to keep this home-grown player at your backyard until he retires, or sell him for a profit to support your team's growth. My advice is, keep him. He is improving all the time, and this will surely help you build your team stronger and challenge for honours, and of course, prize money.

Even if his salary does go beyond 300K, I think you will still be able to sustain his salary, because you are darn rich :)

And if we want to aim for the stars, target should be 200K for the players. So ultimately it will be 200K for player and 100K for trainer if using your strategy.

Ya, the team will have to transfer out his another player as the trainee salary grow(different case if the trainee is in NT as the team merchandise will grow as well), thats why I'm saying this strategy will cause the team to stay behind the team which only focus on improving his own team.

Actually I don't know whether will a team that maintain a world-renowned trainer will always be behind a team who uses the money to maintain a world-renowned trainer for improving his team with investing on player instead of trainer or not, since it includes many factor such as an unknown amount of merchandise increment for having a player in NT, the results as time goes by, and some other factors which I haven't notice yet.

Ultimately it depends on the objective. If the objective is only to improve the U21 team, then yes, having the highest level trainer will definitely have a huge impact.
But if the objective is to improve the Senior NT team, then having the level of trainer above level 5 is not as huge impact as there is no age limit for NT so you just need to train extra few weeks with Superior trainer compared to training with a World Renown trainer.

Yes, the player will still grow with a superior trainer but the player which is trained by a world-renowned will grow even better each time, therefore the gap in between will be expanding as time goes on, resulting in we'll never be able to keep up and even falling back if more and more country getting ahead of us. I don't think they'll stop training for us to catchup.

Last edited by Vandar at 11/11/2010 3:50:25 AM

I know training an NT player and competing is tough, although I did not experience it before.

Choose one muahaha, cannot be greedy as the income per week cannot sustain both.

By they way, why people will hate a player farming team, wouldn't it be better as they can win the farming team all the time. I'll be a farming team if I get an ATG, or maybe will consider to farm with just a hall of famer, and I will farm until I feel that the trainee is not worth to train anymore if compare to another young ATG or HOF draft(if lucky enough to get again).

Wow I'm dreaming of having a 300k ATG.

Last edited by Vandar at 11/11/2010 2:49:59 AM

Talking about age, in addition to my strategy in order to maintain the NT as time pass by, we can continue to train the current NT player eventhough his skills is degrading and at the same time having another team or have the same team to train a new young trainee(secondary for the same team), and replace the current NT player with the younger trainee when he has surpasses the current NT player because the younger trainee will catchup the current NT player as old player has a slower pop-up and may experience a decrease in skills.

Yes, the player will still grow with a superior trainer but the player which is trained by a world-renowned will grow even better each time, therefore the gap in between will be expanding as time goes on, resulting in we'll never be able to keep up and even falling back if more and more country getting ahead of us. I don't think they'll stop training for us to catchup.

1. Maybe let me go at it on a different angle. What is the target salary for your trainee that you will be targeting with the World Renowned Trainer? Whatever salary you mention it can still be achieved with a Superior trainer but only take extra few weeks.

2. Other countries will stop training their current roster when the player has reached the soft cap or reached the age of 28. So ultimately the goal for any NT team is to have a fresh new batch of players every 5 years. Because once players reach 33 yo, their skills will start to deteriorate. That is why for Senior NT, it is not so much how fast you can increase you skills of your players but more towards a steady supply of new NT players to replace those that get too old.

28? i tot trainee's normally stop at 25?

1. Maybe let me go at it on a different angle. What is the target salary for your trainee that you will be targeting with the World Renowned Trainer? Whatever salary you mention it can still be achieved with a Superior trainer but only take extra few weeks.

2. Other countries will stop training their current roster when the player has reached the soft cap or reached the age of 28. So ultimately the goal for any NT team is to have a fresh new batch of players every 5 years. Because once players reach 33 yo, their skills will start to deteriorate. That is why for Senior NT, it is not so much how fast you can increase you skills of your players but more towards a steady supply of new NT players to replace those that get too old.

I'm thinking of giving an ATG player the best training until his age is really causing his stats to halt or maybe deteriote then only replace him with another younger ATG which surpasses the older one, like a cycle.

If I'm not wrong, ATG do not have a soft cap right?

And why not continue to train the player eventhough hes 28 over since he do not have a soft cap and again if I'm not wrong, I found that a player will not stop growing, just take a longer time for a pop-up.

As we know, player will age and gradually be slower each year and stats might probably start to deteriorate by 32, wouldn't a player will reach a higher achievement with a world-renowned, therefore, because of age, a player trained with a superior could not get an achievement that a player which is trained by world-renowned can get.

For example, we have player A, and C trained by world-renowned and player B superior, assume all player is ATG:-
-The stongest state of player A is when he is in the age of 38, then there is another similar player C which is suppose to replace player A and is a year younger, player C strongest state is also 38, so the time when stand both of the player stand on a same level is when player C is 35 yrs old and player A is 41, therefore it is best to replace player A with player C when player A is on age 39 and where player C has reach the strongest state at 38. To maintain the NT to have the player with the mentioned strongest state, every season we'll need a same player, just for example as it is impossible because it require many drafts and many managers.
-And the strongest state that player B will reach is only the state of player A when he is 36, therefore player B can never be able to achieve the result of player A when player A is on 38.

Thats what I presume if not mentioned otherwise, every factor is the same for player A, B, and C.

Last edited by Vandar at 11/11/2010 4:17:43 PM

28? i tot trainee's normally stop at 25?

They won't stop, game manual said that growth rate won't be 0, its the drop of the skills level that make the presumption that it stop growing.

For example, you have a player which is 38(32 is not so much because I have a friend who have a 33 yrs old and did not train him at all and he did not experience a drop in level before) yrs old, and the player have all the skills level of 12 and same sub-level, and you train him inside scoring for 6 week monorole and you might get the results of:-
-increase in inside shot
-no change for inside defense and jump shot
-a drop for rest of the skills

And if you continue to train with same training method for another 7 week you'll notice:-
-no change in inside shot
-an increase for inside defense and jump shot
-a drop for the rest of the skills again

Then when you change the training to two position rebounding for the same player for another 7 weeks you'll notice:-
-an increase for rebounding and inside shot
-no changes for inside defense
-a drop for jump shot and rest of the skills

And repeat the rebounding method for next 8 weeks you'll notice:-
-an increase for rebounding and inside defense
-no changes for inside shot
-a drop for rest of the skills

The drop for skills won't be so severe, just for explaining the example.

Last edited by Vandar at 11/11/2010 3:34:10 PM

If I'm not wrong, ATG do not have a soft cap right?

And why not continue to train the player eventhough hes 28 over since he do not have a soft cap and again if I'm not wrong, I found that a player will not stop growing, just take a longer time for a pop-up.

Now I understand where you are coming from. Luckily I asked from another angle.

So you are talking about training an ATG player even beyond 28yo. Well, if that is the case, then it totally makes sense to want to train with a world-renowned trainer. Especially if you are prepared to fork more than $800K for a single player. At the moment in the transfer list I am already seeing a $622K center with HOF potential at only 24yo. So, you should easily be able to get a more than $800K player by 28yo. So yes, your strategy will definitely get 1 insane player per team every 10 seasons.

But the next question will be how you can afford to maintain a $800K player and $100K trainer.