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180791.12 in reply to 180791.11
Date: 4/19/2011 12:25:42 AM
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How will anyone achieve that when there are about two teams in Australia training big men?

Iwen - how will you make sure there are some good big men for the future?

From: iwen

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180791.13 in reply to 180791.12
Date: 4/19/2011 12:31:54 AM
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Well it's a two way approach to training bigs.

Pump those secondaries in the first season then go for the primaries. Makes for great PFs and rounded centers.

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Pump primaries and only worry about secondaries later on. Means we end up with unsustainable monsters but stand a fighting chance against the big teams in Asia.

It really depends on the talent available. Just seeing some of the rookies drafted so far, I can see that they'll become ace Power Fowards, but I'm still looking for those potential monster centers inside, cause whether we like it or not, we need monsters with 3 x prodigious and 4 x atrocious to combat the Philippines and China.

So I'll be looking for a mixture of both. So far I've only seen Power Forwards, but I'm advising them differently, one will take the primary approach first, the others will go for the secondary route. Should give us a bit of versatility going forward.

Plus, I'm looking to pick up a power forward as well this season to train secondaries first to align with my training of McArthur and Ton. =)

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180791.16 in reply to 180791.13
Date: 4/19/2011 12:55:56 AM
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Again, keep the topic to the actual election and the candidates. The last 2 posts have been about actual players and this is not the right place for it so they've been deleted.

We're here to find our next U21 team manager, you can discuss particular players elsewhere. I'm generally pretty lenient with what goes on around here but keep this stuff on topic please.

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180791.17 in reply to 180791.16
Date: 4/19/2011 1:43:32 AM
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a few more questions to anyone up for the job.

1, china and the phil's seem to be the major threats to us each season , how will you better prepare the team for these match ups ?

2, what skills / type of players will you value more while your in the job ? will this influence your choice of players even if there is a player better suited to the position ? ie a 10 is 16 id player chosen over a 13 is 14 id player.

3, does player exp levels factor into your choices , also will the players potential come in to play ? will you be aiming more to win while your in office or better setting us up for the long term (mentoring players / bringing in players that have national team potential ? )

4, recently the manager of a well known aussie under 21 player has apparently asked to have his player removed from our team as he feels we do not train properly or something like that, what is your views on this ? and will you still play him ?

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180791.18 in reply to 180791.17
Date: 4/19/2011 5:21:34 AM
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As I'm sure most are aware, I'm not going to be running for the U21 job this season - 4 seasons is enough for me!

Thanks to everyone who helped out during my term in any way - your help is appreciated

I'll throw my support behind iwen - he knows how to train, and is active on the offsite. I'm sure he will do a fantastic job if given the chance.

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180791.19 in reply to 180791.18
Date: 4/20/2011 7:36:45 AM
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I agree and don't forget to vote everyone. Remember voter apathy can lead to poor results.

Thanks mllama and brilliant work over the last four seasons, you have created an enduring legacy.

A question for our candidates. How will you deal with superpower teams like China?

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180791.20 in reply to 180791.19
Date: 4/20/2011 8:10:03 AM
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The next coach should now realize if they continue with the 2 term tradition then they will be in for 4 seasons.
The 18 year olds drafted this season will be the 21 year olds in your last season.

You can completely reshape the team into any mould you want, any hints to what team we are looking at? Post on offsite forum?

Can you smell what the Hobos are cooking... oh wait its just Roger. (18085274)
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180791.21 in reply to 180791.17
Date: 4/20/2011 9:12:30 AM
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I feel like I'm talking to myself here, as the other candidate is like a ghost.

I will answer all questions here.

The major threats to us in the Asia division are China and the Philippines, as well as up and comers in Taiwan and Hong Kong. China and the Philippines and big man heavy, and play look inside almost exclusively, as they ALWAYS have the advantage in that department. Taiwan and HK tend to be balanced teams, so we can match up evenly with them. The only way to seriously combat China and the Philippines is to ensure our big man can hold their own. A few seasons ago (4-6) to be exact, we had a bumper crop of big men, the majority of which made it to the NT. The last few seasons I think the draft hasn't been too kind to our active training managers so the talent has been a bit thin, also the focus on secondaries has made our primaries a bit weaker, with triple wondrous running around against triple prodigious + of the heavyweights. I hope to ensure that we have a good balance of both, but at center I'd ideally like a salary beast, whilst at PF I'd prefer a bit of versatility. I think it's hard to combat nations with farm teams, so it's unlikely we could ever really take them head on, but with some good luck and fantastic training/draftees, we could do it.

In regards to skills, it really depends. In international competition, everybody needs to be able to defend and score, it's that simple. A non scoring player is pretty much useless. There's no preferred skill, it really depends on the position and player, but the guards need the standard JR/JS/OD/PA, whilst the forwards and bigs need the standard ID/RB/IS/SB.

I know what I'm looking for in each position, similar to my young guys as they were maturing, and I hope to help train similar players for the U21 NT and future NT players in a similar mould.

Experience isn't that prominent or obvious at U21 level, most are pitful through to inept in the U21.

Jone Bogan's manager was very silly. Don't know why he reacted the way he did. I'll still play him, I'm the coach, I decide what's best for the team. Unless he's ruining game shape of course..

If I was to create an ideal team, it would consist of many combo guards, I love passing and to have PG's with high passing and SG's who can play PG make the world of difference when mixing up tactics. SF's are rarely mature by this stage but I'm looking for ID/OD and JS/JR combos.

I like PF's with JS/JR/PA as high secondaries, and at least 13/13/13 in primaries, and I'm looking for bigs with 14/14/14 at least by the age of 21 to combat the heavyweights.

Hopefully this answers most of the questions.

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180791.22 in reply to 180791.21
Date: 4/20/2011 9:15:50 AM
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Iwen you tanked 2 season's ago, How do we know your not going to tank with the U21 team? ;P

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