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191066.12 in reply to 191066.11
Date: 7/27/2011 4:57:38 AM
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HCA advantage isn't so big as You think. Yes, it's helpful, but no so much as I read on forum.
I think it's mainly "mental" advantage. Because other teams often use TIE than CT against team, which is considered stronger than other.
I saw it in European Qualification two seasons ago. We were in group with Spain and if we count effort of our opponents in this way:
1 - when they use TIE
2 - when they use normal
3 - when they use CT
then sum of effort used by the same opponents against Poland was (afaik) by 4 more than sum of effort used against Spain.
It's strategic choise. 3rd team "on paper" very often use TIE against 1st the best and CT against 2nd the best team in group. Because his goal is to beat one of two better teams.
And of course Spain was big favorite and Poland was team which must be beaten.
In both group phases in ECh we were CTed 4 times (in 12 matches), no other team fought 4 times against CT in ECh. Meanwhile in both group phases in WCh (9 matches) no one opponent used CT. But Chile showed that normal is enough to beat Poland ;-) But NT manager of Chile is great champion and he made good calculation that this victory open way to final. Other managers made few mistakes in TIE/normal/CT strategy.
So as I said HCA is mainly mental advantage. In match I don't see huge bonus.
One more thing. I think if Deutschland, Lietuva or France had HCA they would won repasages. Because they lost decisive matches by few points. But if You check Poland's matches in repasages You can see we won all them by 30-50 poinst. So I'm sure we should won repasages even if all three opponents had HCA.
It shows that success wasn't only effect of HCA. We made good work with training, we had some luck with gameshapes and injuries (Eygi had the best form in his career during ECh, Wisniewski during WCh, both in decisive matches). Other teams had less luck (for example case of Zuya) and made more mistakes.
I think HCA means +5 to final score. It isn't so huge.

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191066.13 in reply to 191066.8
Date: 7/27/2011 10:34:32 AM
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I agree with you. This game must be realistic and HCA always boosts performance of the home team. So it should stay as it is.

Why?

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191066.14 in reply to 191066.13
Date: 7/27/2011 11:40:52 AM
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I agree with you. This game must be realistic and HCA always boosts performance of the home team. So it should stay as it is.


Why?


Why not?

From: CrazyEye

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191066.17 in reply to 191066.16
Date: 7/27/2011 12:08:57 PM
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[qWell if we really wanted it to be realistic the USA would win every time ;)]

like 1998, oh no

then 2002, damn at least the USA had homecourt and finished 6th

but ok 2006 was another world championship, and hey the US won their last game for place 3

but finally 2010 they won the final

Beside of this, i think spain and italy would be the top nation in BB world instead of the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_World_Championship

From: CrazyEye

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191066.21 in reply to 191066.19
Date: 7/27/2011 12:42:14 PM
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i put italy and spain in that line, because they are the biggest nations like the US is for basketball in real life.

And they didn't play with fun rosters at the world championships to, and i doubt they didn't take it serious when they are there or play in front of their own public. Maybe the talent in the olympics is a bit better, Yeah they are always favorites, but they ain't untouchable(in athens they nearly fly out of the competion in first round, before winning the tournament thats still great but not another level)

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191066.22 in reply to 191066.21
Date: 7/27/2011 12:55:40 PM
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US has the most world Championships.

US has the most Olympic Gold Medals by a LANDSLIDE.

That's the only two statistics that matter....and they were even winning BEFORE they got to use NBA players.

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