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The group is really hard indeed, as far as I am concerned, it is the most difficult group. Fifth place is in my opinion a high, but achievable goal. I also know the Slovenian NT coach and I know exactly how they play Like you all already figured out, England needs balanced players, with higher defense. Since most of the current NT squad is already in theire best years, we should focus on training other 22-25 year old players. I believe there are quite a few interesting candidates like Andrews and Murphy, Gascoigne or Brewer...

Last edited by Icce at 8/22/2012 3:51:56 PM

We are getting a good debate going, so I am curious and want to ask another question.

For the purposes of NT (so, salary shouldn't be a factor), what value do you place on Jump Range? This question applies to all positions. Obviously everyone would love to have a player with 20+ at all skills, but this isn't possible. How would you evaluate jump range recognizing that it comes at the expense of other skills?

Last edited by Mzungu77 at 8/23/2012 1:53:12 AM

In my experience, JR is overrated by some extent..I rather buy and train players to have higher Driving in combination with Jump Shot. If you compare my two players:

Frodason (JS 16, JR 10, DR 19) and Novinscak (JS 18, JR 14, DR 17), they have almost the same % of 3pt, even though Novinscak has much better JR. And this is only one example, I have tried various combinations in the past and almost always came to the same conclusion, JR is overrated and it is not worth that much of a higher salary.

It depends also on the tactic you use. I prefer players with high passing and I believe it is a quite underrated skill and managers do not train this skill enough. If you want to have a really good Inside tactic, then it is the most important thing to have good passers all around (also for the BigMen).

Another very important skill for outside players (also here especially for Inside tactics) is Inside Shot. I am a strong fan of well balanced players, since they can really make the difference..That is why I train and buy more or less only players who are capable of playing in various positions.

One of the main skills I would tend to have for a PointGuard is also high Rebounding..A Pointguard with Rebound skill 10+, will almost always have 6+ RB per game...

Last edited by Icce at 8/23/2012 2:35:49 AM

A national team must have at least 3-4 players who have min. 12 jr. From that 2 SG-s should have 14. An outside tactics requires this. Without jr, for example a run and gun is ineffective because other squads have excellent OD. Big men's must have rather JS, if they have a level 6-7 JR is enough.

This is why it is inadvisable to play outside tactics in the first place In any case a PG should also have minimal 11-12 JR, but it is not the most important thing..

Yes, it is not the most important, (it is the defense) but a national team must be unfathomable. It needs several kind of players. A lot of teams always plays look inside. I always believed the power of surprise. A team, like England necessary to have different tactics to maze opponents. The perfect tactics for matches (where is any chance) and the suitable enthusiasm choosing and planning will be the key of rising. Without specialist players there are no chance against the stronger teams.

Yes I agree with you about that. But in most cases and if you really have no outside "monsters" it is almost useless to play outside tactics..Offcourse you can try to surprise someone, but it is mostly not a good idea.

dear friend,

you are confusing 2 different things with eachother.

If you got a team full of PG's and C's, they'll always play 2-3 against you. So you need to keep that outside option open. This said, you are correct on the fact that at the NT lvl, most games are won by LI and not by RaG. This has several reasons.

for LI
1) you need guards who have OD, HA, DR and PA. Easy to train
2) you need bigs who have IS & RB (and for defensif purposes ID and SB).

that is the very basic for LI ( i'm simplifying things out here. you still need a good SF etc...)

For Outside tactics you need:
1) guards with JS, JR, HA and DR, while having OD for defense.
2) Bigs with JS, ID, RB and SB, allong with passing ( very recommendable to have some decent passing on a big if you are gonna play outside)

Of those 2, which is the fastest to train for team managers? it are the LI players. Futhermore, nobody seems to have the correct players to succesfully play a 2-3 zone, where as everyone has em for a 3-2 zone, so defending against a team who plays outside is considerably more easy than one who plays inside.

And, as dreadfull as it might be, JR takes a hell of a big ammount of salary on guards. So if you a big ammount of JR on your guard.

Never the less, inside tactics are what tends to get the job done most of the times.

Here is another couple of questions for the candidates:
How valuable is SB on your bigmen? Do you find it a waste of time to train IS and ID on your guards?

@Icce

A national team MUST HAVE MONSTER PLAYERS.

@GM-Revo

There are a lot of more important skills than SB. I would prefer instead HA, DRI, PA. SB increases the salary, so imo it is enough at level 10. But this level is necessary in international matches.

To train IS and ID is not a wast of time. Leader teams rosters have SG-s, who have a level 13-14 IS, and 9-10 of ID with 8-9 STAMINA(stamina is extremely necessery). This players can win matches for their teams. Train this players a lot of seasons.... But have to do it.

@vendabal

Offcourse you have to have monster players. I just like them a little more balanced.

@Revo

2-3 Zone is (in my experience) not exactly effectual against LI, at least not as strong as "it should be"

IS is in my opinion a very important factor for LI guards, I trained my guards that. My teams guards have mostly 8+ IS.

@Vendabal:
there are a lot of way's to have monster players. You can create monster mismatch players, or you can create 300k + players.

another question for the Nt managers:

When asking certain training on NT players, do you warn the players about the salary their players are at that moment in the season, or do you keep that fact hidden in an attempt to create monsters, who destroy teams economies and who are meant to be kept by so-called farm teams.