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From: Jepz

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231206.12 in reply to 231206.7
Date: 12/2/2012 11:09:28 AM
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@Ramssesse

Una, akala ko ba 4 years ka na literally dito sa BB, eh 1st game ng team mo ay Season 10, September 22, 2009, which makes you only 3 years and 2 months+ lang?

Pangalawa, sa mga sinasabi mo, ang pagkakaintindi ko ay wag namin gagamitin ang current league mo na maging basis para isipin namin na qualified ka o hindi. Eh ano ang gusto mong maging basis namin? Yung literal na 4 years mo na sa BB? Sa loob ng ganung kahabang panahon, ano na nga ba ang napatunayan mo sa BB? Ilang beses ka na din nagpabalik balik sa league 4. Akala ko ba, sinasabi mo na analyst ka ng game? Bat hindi mo maanalisa kung anong dapat gawin para mapromote ka na sa mas mataas na league?

Sinasabi mo na kung ilalagay mo ang resume mo dito personally, magkukulang ang espasyo mo. Sa totoo lang, hindi namin kailangan ang resume mo. Hindi ka nag-aaply ng trabaho sa amin dito sa totoong buhay. Kailangan namin ang resume mo sa larangan ng BB. Ano nga ba talaga ang gusto mong maging basehan namin sa pagboto sa inyo?

Pangatlo, sinasabi mo na tumatakbo ka para mag-encourage na magtrain ang ibang managers ng mga U21 players. Ang tanong ko ay, paano ka mag-eencourage ng iba eh kung rin naman mismo ay hindi rin nagtetrain ng mga batang players? Mas maganda siguro maging ehemplo ka muna sa iba at magtrain ka muna ng sarili mong U21 player. Pagtingin sa lineup mo, may rookie ka na 18yo pero bench warmer potential lang. May isang 20yo pero starter potential lang. Karamihan sa ibang players mo ay may katandaan na. Sino sa mga ito ang mga trainees mo?

Pang-apat, tungkol naman sa sagot mo sa tanong tungkol sa JR at SB, hindi ba masyadong generic ang mga sagot mo? Sabi mo, kapag natrain ang JR, dagdag yun sa arsenal ng isang player sa attributes nya. Eh ang tanong eh, ano nga ba ang epekto nito sa laro ng isang player sa BB? Natural, ang sagot dun ay mas malayo ang range ng isang player na may mataas na JR. Pero ano nga ba ang epekto nito sa laro? Ganun din sa SB, wala ka din "analysis" tungkol sa epekto ng skill na ito. Kapag mataas ang SB, ibig sabihin ay mas konti ang fouls? Masyadong generic. Paki-analyze nga ng mabuti.

Pang-lima, ano na ba ang experience mo sa paghawak ng mga high-salary na players ng sabay-sabay? Hindi ka kaya ma-overwhelm kapag nakita mo ang mga skills ng U21 players na halos pantay pantay? Ano ang basis mo sa pagpili ng players? Baka mapili mo kasi yung matataas lang ang salary pero sobrang taas lang ang JR o SB.

Pang-anim, bilang kabahagi ng NT Staff, ano ang masasabi mo sa performance ninyo ng mga kagrupo mo sa pagpapatakbo ng NT? Nagandahan ka ba sa performance ng team nyo sa nakaraang season? Sang-ayon ka ba sa minsang naimungkahing bigyan kayo ng tig-iisang slot para sa mga players nyo para makasama sa NT? (although binawi na daw yun ngayon)

Pang-pito, hindi siguro nararapat na sabihing developmental team, contingency team ang U21 natin para sa NT dahil in itself, malakas na contender ang U21 natin in recent seasons. Minsan may mga allstar potential na U21 pero mas malakas ang inaabot sa mas mataas na potential na kasing edad nya. Ibig bang sabihin nun, mababalewala yung mas malakas na mas mababa ang potential kasi kasama sa training pool ng NT yung mas mataas na potential?

Yun lang muna sa ngayon. Magdadagdag pa ako ng additional na tanong para sa lahat ng kandidato sa susunod na post ko.

From: Porzingis

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231206.13 in reply to 231206.7
Date: 12/2/2012 3:10:21 PM
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Pasensya na kung sa tingin mo medyo insulto to pero eto lang yung nakuha mo sa mga sinabi mo

- Marami ka pang kailangan na malaman tungkol sa game (strategy, trends, tactics etc..) though mapupunan naman siguro to ng pagbasa ng forums di lang sa Pilipinas forum kundi sa ibang part din

- Wala ngang kinalaman ang credentials mo sa tunay na buhay. If anything, ang nakuha ko lang eh mataas ang propensity mo na mawalan ng oras para sa game (due to your said achievements, career etc..)

- Yung mga in-game credentials naman na bino-boast mo ay unflattering.

Again, I apologize if it comes across as insulting. What I just want is ma-prove mo na out of the 3, (well, 2 kasi wala naman atang balak lumaban yung isa) na ikaw ang dapat iboto (para sakin, at least).

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From: Moses

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231206.15 in reply to 231206.13
Date: 12/2/2012 8:24:07 PM
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well, for one i don't see anything said here in the forum as anything insulting, because i do respect anyone's own opinion, sabi nga nila, "opinyon mo yan",

Sgt Pepper.
1. true, i need more and a lot to learn, well i think hindi lang ata ako, we need to constantly learn, thats Life's, everyday we need to learn, all of us, what i am saying here is that, im willing to help here, i am not asking that you allow me to have U21 team, this is everyone's team. the work of a manager here is, to get the most out of a given team, since this is not my team, everyone has a say to what we can do to have a great run for winning.

2. true again, i am not a couch potato or am i a computer geek, if that would be one of the credentials,then for this one, i am most likely to fail, well i only open my lap top or desk top before and after my work, or if time allows i do peek in the middle of the day.

3. for in-game credentials, well, for one its not a boast, 2nd its a result for the love of the game, the A.I. here in BB gives a lot for me to be inspired for and more that that, it helps me to learn more about the game.

Sgt Pepper, no need to apologize, i am thank full for such an inquiry and given opinionated comment.

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231206.16 in reply to 231206.8
Date: 12/2/2012 8:44:42 PM
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To answer your question what drastic change should be done to our U21? You have been in the U21 for how many seasons already. You have seen how our future U21 players have been monitored by our ex manager PH-Cezzz for how many seasons. He can only do so much as giving advice and motivating managers to train their players. If the managers do not listen or stop training their players midway, there is nothing a U21 manager can do. Right now our current 21 yo players are those our outgoing manager has cultivated since he started his term 4 seasons ago.

Any success our U21 will have this season PH-Cezzz has a great part of it. He has set the roadmap to success in his two terms of cultivating players for our U21 team. He even scouts U21 players even after he knows he will be stepping down to give the next U21 manager an easier time when the transition is made. He may not have a hand in training all our current U21 players but he certainly has left his imprint in a considerable number of them. I hope I can emulate what he did to our U21 team so that the next U21 manager will also have an easy time when he assumes the position.

Since you are U21 staff, surely your insight of how the U21 team is being run right now carries more weight than mine. After the elections is done maybe you can share what "drastic" measures are needed for our U21 team because for me the way our outgoing manger has run our team is pretty good. I am sure the next manager will value the insight of someone that has been a U21 staff for many many seasons already.

What kind of team is our U21 team? If I say that we will be champions at the end of the season then I am a fool and a braggart and will be insulting many managers here with a statement of success. I don't even have access yet to the players so I cannot judge how good our team will be. But if you want a more definite answer then based on my conversation with our outgoing manager it has a very good chance of reaching the finals.

But definitely a U21 team is not a rebuilding one. How can you be rebuilding a U21 team? What is there needed to be rebuilt? Every season you take what the the current crop of 21 yo players have to offer. A U21 team is a one season gig for 21 yos after that they will be discarded and another batch of new players will take their place. So please enlighten me on how a U21 team can be in a rebuilding process? Do you mean you can control what tactics a U21 manager can implement year after year?

I think the main problem is the continuity of 21 yo to the National Team. I was surfing one of the forums the other day and one foreign manager was complaining about how high reserves was for free agents. I was shocked to see he mentioned as his example was a 25 yo 200k+ pinoy player he owned that never had been in the radar of our National team. He even apologized by saying sorry to any Filipino who read his statement that the player got retired because no one had bought him from the TL. This happened around July of this year if I am not mistaken. A U21 coach cannot do anything after his players graduate from the program. There should be better communication between the U21 managers and the NT ones to have a plan of continuity of potential NT players from the U21 pool. That for me is something very important. Our reliable NT players are very old already. The newer NT players aren't as good yet as compared to our old NT players.

From: Moses

To: Jepz
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231206.17 in reply to 231206.12
Date: 12/2/2012 9:07:32 PM
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thanks Jepz, sa correction, 3 yrs na pala, i wont argue on that matter, good scouting.

true again, if i remember it right, twice yata ako napabalik sa league IV, i wont cover on that, its a result of wrong management, as i have said i was not guided well on my decision making, well everyone learns from mistakes, i know i did. so on the matter of basis, i see no standard qualifications for anyone to apply, so if the standard to run here in U21 manager is,
a. Must have 5 or more yrs experience in BB managerial position- well i failed this one.
b. must have a team in PPL for more than 3 yrs- i failled this too
c.must have numerous championship and has been part of the world championship- only been wishing for this,
d.must be part of NT staff for more than 2 yrs to have an experience in handling a NT team.- well, just had a few months, so im not qualified
e. must have time to scout, oversee and plamn for the coming game, and should have a minimum of 4-6 hrs/ day in the computer- well, in my line of work, i wont be able to satisfy such a requirement.
f. must be a member of BB pilipinas more than 3 yrs- well dito lang ata ako qualified.


on the Account of my qualifications, well, i was basing it more on intellectual level on Reality, my mistake, i assumed that if experience in handling a true to life team be part of an experience is plus factor, i was wrong, so the basis pala dito is an Experience in buzzer beater, well, so Jepzs, as our nations Number 4 team manager and currently on PPL, could you set a qualifications basis for all of us, for me to know well that i am not qualified, better yet, i am imploring you to please run, and pls let me know, so that the minute you apply, i will withdraw, because most likely i am not as qualified as you,

to be the very example to everyone to encourage more.... right again, the only problem is, for the past seasons, i have no quality players to train, but then again maybe i have overlooked some and was not able to train them,

on my answer on JR and SB, very generic you say, so what would be the right answer? that having such a skill set would be an additional salary for players? or a player with a JR would most likely have more 3 pointers and a player with SB skills will have more shot blocks?? what more have i to analyze??

sa pag pili ng players, manager ka rin, so ibalik ko sa iyo ang tanong, ano ba ang basis mo sa pag pili ng players mo sa roster mo ngayun??? bakit mo binibid ang player??? sa totoo lang kanya kanya ang diskarte sa pag pili ng pklayers, what i could like might not be your liking, and vice versa, kaya nga i was asking for help, i very well know running a U21 team is a daunting task, its a cumulative work,

well in faireness to Chief Ghaz, of our manager for NT, he did his best, he did has plans to get an effective results for the NT, we did try to scout well, the problem was, we fell short of achieving it, kulang sa players, well, may i have this oppurtunity to ask you, even not being a part of the NT staff, did you try to help?? did you try to have your voice be heard?? mas magaling ka pala, so why not tell us what to do, or better yet run for NT manager? would you get a better result?? yun na imungkahi ng NT manager for the slots, it depends to who receives it, sa iyo siguro hindi maganda, tama lang, pero kung may player ka pala na maipapahiram sa Nt, hindi mo ba gusto? i declined because i dont have a player worthy to be part of the NT.

saan ka ba hindi nag a-agree?? sa mga definitions given as a "contingency team", or "developemental team", hindi mas maganda kung mas malakas dahil may i-elevate tayo? would it not be an advantagfe to have a NT to have young higfh potential players?

Jepzs, its a free country, if you dont like me to be a u21 manager, just click on anyone who you like who's running, i would accept that and never will question it, ang hiling ko lang since you have an experience here in BB, if i do win, will

Last edited by Moses at 12/2/2012 9:19:54 PM

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231206.18 in reply to 231206.16
Date: 12/2/2012 9:38:21 PM
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Thanks for the continuous praise lolo. hehe. It's been four seasons na minanage ko ang team natin. I admit there are some mistakes I did and some mistakes naman na hindi ko kontrolado. Napansin nyo na medyo stagnant ang team natin lately and i apologize. Noong naeliminate tayo sa tournament, i focused on saving some rookies not only for the U21 and NT team but to save more Filipino players kasi napansin kong nauubos na yun.

Whoever wins this election, I promise I will give my full support on him. Wala na ako ibang matanong sa debate na ito other than this. Paano nyo maaayos at mamamaintain ang good communication with our fellow managers na involved sa NT at U21?

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231206.20 in reply to 231206.17
Date: 12/2/2012 11:19:08 PM
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wow naman na touch naman ako sa pagtatanggol mo sa akin.
ang pinagtatakahan ko lang bakit ang lakas ng loob niyo magsalita kapag puro kapalpakan at pagkakamali ng isa ang nakikita?
kung kinakailangan ang tulong niyo saka kau tatahimik at hindi magpaparamdam?

Na saan kayo ng mga panahon kailangan kau ng NT?hindi ba wala?kaya wag taung mag magaling.

at napansin ko puro direct na tira kay Gian ang nababasa ko,si Gian lang ba ang tumatakbo dito?
how about sa ibang manager wala ba kaung itatanong?
palibhasa ang MALI lang ang nkikita natin eh.

ito ang hamon ko sa inyong mga magagaling na manager RUN kau next season and manage our NT and U21 ipachampion niyo ang bansa natin total puro magagaling naman kayo eh..

1 thing na qualification sa paghandle ng natioanal team at U21 is ung may sipag,pagmamahal at dedekasyon sa team,wala naman sa galing yan eh kasi pwede ka naman magpatulong sa mga MAGAGALING jan para mapalakas ang team.

anohin mo ang magaling kung ito ay hindi tumutulong sa ikakaunlad ng team natin?diba wala?useless

ito ang tanong ko sa inyo mga tatakbo.
since nasa shadow kau ng tagumpay na nakamit ni previous manager ng U21, paano niyo maover come ang expectation, at ang nagawa ni PH-Cezzz sa U21?do you still use his tactics or gagawa ka ng pangalan mo sa sarili mong pamamaraan?

in short anong pipiliin mo " gagawa k ng pangalan sa sarili mong pamamaraan" or " cocopyahin mo ang ginawa ng previous manager"? at bakit?

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231206.21 in reply to 231206.20
Date: 12/2/2012 11:59:58 PM
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payo lang kay ram, kailangan friend mo ung may hawak ng mga training pool.

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