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Atrocious has sublevels though so atrocious can give you everywhere from 0-15% or something like that.

I guess we have found the 0% sublevel with that guy then. :P

I understand its to make people spend time training free throws but ive never understood stats like that . 0for 581 , im pretty sure a baby in a pram would score at least one if given a basketball and allowed to flail away nearly 600 times.

That is ridiculous!

The logical solution would be for JS and JR training to also cross train FT's. It's pretty ridiculous to begin with, even funnier when you see that same player shooting decent % on 3-pointers.

Or the even more logical solution - train FT. Easily one of the simplest problems for anyone to fix and the only reason these odd players exist who can shoot well from 3 but can't hit FT is because they have been trained in a completely unrealistic way.

Or the even more logical solution - train FT. Easily one of the simplest problems for anyone to fix and the only reason these odd players exist who can shoot well from 3 but can't hit FT is because they have been trained in a completely unrealistic way.

Obviously, I'm only talking about it logically. How does a player train to improve their jump shot and jump range shooting and not improve their FT shooting at the same time? They should be linked if for no other reason than they are linked.

On the flip side a lot of people, especially those with great trainees, just don't want to waste a week training FT's or Stamina just because 1 player on their roster might need it badly. You can train a player for FT's until they're 50 but you've only got a short period to train a player on most other attributes.

Obviously, I'm only talking about it logically. How does a player train to improve their jump shot and jump range shooting and not improve their FT shooting at the same time? They should be linked if for no other reason than they are linked.

Based on what empirical evidence? Can you name one great FT in the real world who has not spent hours practicing their free throw shooting?

The act of shooting a free throw is actually quite distinct from the act of shooting a jump shot.

That people who are good at one may also be good at the other is just as likely, if not more likely, to be a result of the fact that they have practiced both equally than your claim that the two are linked. Becoming a good FT shooter in BB already takes considerably less practice than it takes to become a good jump shooter.

Obviously, I'm only talking about it logically. How does a player train to improve their jump shot and jump range shooting and not improve their FT shooting at the same time? They should be linked if for no other reason than they are linked.

Based on what empirical evidence? Can you name one great FT in the real world who has not spent hours practicing their free throw shooting?

The act of shooting a free throw is actually quite distinct from the act of shooting a jump shot.

That people who are good at one may also be good at the other is just as likely, if not more likely, to be a result of the fact that they have practiced both equally than your claim that the two are linked. Becoming a good FT shooter in BB already takes considerably less practice than it takes to become a good jump shooter.

You're actually arguing that there's no similarities between shooting a jump shot and shooting a free throw? None whatsoever? You can't see the logic between having secondary training on shooting FT's while someone gets primary training shooting a jumpshot?

As for evidence, I guess since most great 3 point shooters/outside shooters in the NBA are also great FT shooters, that would count as evidence that there's a link would it not?

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 6/11/2013 9:37:54 PM

I never argued that there weren't similarities. Of course there being similarities does not make it logical that there should be secondary FT training on JS training in BB. There are similarities between driving a car and piloting an airplane.

And your second statement just proves you didn't read what I wrote. No, the fact that many great outside shooters are also great FT shooters (if that is even a true statement rather than opinion - I'm willing to accept it for sake of argument) does not count as evidence of a link unless you can prove that they aren't training FT shooting just as much as they are training their outside shooting. It's just a correlation. Given that most great FT shooters are known to spend hours each and every day just shooting FTs, that is pretty good evidence that if you want to be a great FT shooter you need to actually practice shooting FT. Not just shooting jump shots. The fact that some of those players also are great 3 point shooters may just be because they also spend the same amount of time practice their jump shot and their range every day. Find me someone who only practices one of these things but is still great at both and then you've provided some evidence that training one is linked to being good at the other.

But that reality gets in the way of the vast majority of people who play BuzzerBeater; those who don't actually want to have to work to figure out how to develop a complete basketball player in BuzzerBeater but would rather just whine about the fact that their "great" SG can't shoot FT and claim how unrealistic it is, despite the fact that over five seasons he has never once trained the SG in FT shooting.

Even if it could be proven that their is a link, I'd still argue that there is no reason to give FT training as a secondary to JS training. Because it is so easy to train FT now.

I'm surprised that you can't see the huge similarity between shooting a basketball from one spot/distance and shooting a basketball from a different spot/distance. I didn't realize that some people see them as 2 completely unrelated skills. We'll just have to disagree.

Just for kicks, here's a link to the NBA players with the highest active 3FG%. Just click on each name and you can check out their individual career FT%. Just for kicks of course. ;)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_pct_activ...