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ended up paying off with a semifinal date with Germany. Only if that layup by Grubbs hadn't rolled off the rim...

you just might have my vote if you promist to teach proper lay-up technique ;)

Grubbs' owner is a real curmudgeon, so it's very difficult, but if we have him in camp I promise to stay as far away as possible to allow someone who is better than layups than I to teach him.

you are right in that Juice does not go around giving everyone Gold Stars for attendance....
however every time I have send him a BB message he has responded, responded quickly, and has directed me as needed.

So warm and fuzzy? no. as to him being 'angry'...well he does have an edge. but to me, Juice has shown that he is not just capable, but successful.

I definitely did not want to come off as angry, I'm definitely not angry.

As for aggressive (go to about 3:45):

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeIJPELilYA)

Juice: how do you explain the loss against Australia (which arguably made everything more complicated)? none of our peer countries (Spain, Italy, the Netherlands) lost against them.

In particular, how would you put us in a position where our success does not depend on an (exciting, but costly) streak of risky gambles?

Australia was the first game of the tournament, and we actually ended up getting the tactics right, but the combination of getting 29 minutes out of our starting center (with 5 fouls) and Australia getting home court advantage hurt us.

Remember that the game was tied with the clock showing :00 at the end of regulation, and had we not committed a foul at the end of regulation we had a solid chance to win.

Spain and Italy also had a chance to build enthusiasm before taking them on - we opened the tournament with them. The Netherlands game was a scrimmage, so no telling what happened with the Australia roster between their elimination and their scrimmage.

We're definitely better than Australia all things considered. A win in that game would have made it easier, but things happen and you have to deal with them as they come.

I want to thank you and CLM for the help you have provided me. You both had major influence on the development of Sam Anderson. The offsite forum is also great.

Juice what happened with the Spain game? Did you ever firgure it out? SIAP

Juice what happened with the Spain game? Did you ever firgure it out? SIAP

I think my clock here at work was off a few minutes from the server clock, and the lineup I tried to submit wasn't in time.

I had returned from vacation that morning, so basically it's my fault.

A couple of questions for TheUnrepentantGunner:

#1 After the last election, why is there very little to no evidence of you having anything to do with the USA NT at all? I don't see any participation on the offsite forum, nor do I see much of a presence on these forums?

If I'm mistaken, please let me know.

#2 What can you bring to the USA NT that I cannot?

#3 Could you have gotten this last team past the semifinals?

#4 What's up with this? (78034.2)

1) i was active up until the last election. thats right. after the last election 100% of my bb time went pretty much into my club team trying to figure out how to make it a long term nbba team. i was as you know close to nbba making game 3 of the playoff, but knew if i was there i would be smoked. my superior game day tactics would not be enough to overcome my later start compared to someone such as you and KDB, and my financial trading of players has been a relative weaksuit, so i would go right down.

i had the added challenges of having arguably only the 5th best roster when i made the finals that season, with not alot of room for improvement based on my trainees, yet i also needed players that were the finished product in training or at least near that. I made some tough decisions in a weaker area of my game, and took the fall with a weak term but alot of promise next season. i'd argue the weakest part of my game is still the transfer market, especially as it is so relatively illiquid.

No offense to you juice, and nominally you do address the responsiveness, but its very much an inner cult of you and a maybe 1-2 other people making the gametime decisions. what good would my input do to sway the minds of you and kdb et al? I don't even have a forums account anymore (i remade one a few weeks ago).

I also have a good RL reason of course. I got married. In a related story, i punted on the season about a week before my wedding. I knew i wouldnt finish better than 4th in my division and the odds of winning from there are rather slim (i have won an entire round of 16 from 3rd in my division, but this time the teams were too good with home court). I am now married, and have no major RL events on the horizon, barring some catastrophe that may or may not be 9 months away (kidding, sort of)

2) flatout better tactics. this partially surprises me since i thought you almost helped build the engine. i mean you live near harvard where charles et al created the game engine. I have had to try my best to reverse engineer it, and i havent gotten it 100% right. i will have to watch my games and not just the box scores to track the statistics i truly want to track this year as well. that is a huge disadvantage yet i still feel with equal teams and on a neutral court i could win 55 out of 100 against you. that seems minor but its really huge.

3) iffy. from day 1: possibly. from your last 4 matches on, almost assuredly not. you were, as you pointed out, in something of a hole. you went into the germany game a 25-75 dog, and didn't do anything stupid to blow it. i really disliked your call in the semifinals 2 seasons ago with the all big lineup, but it's not my place to criticize given that while i saw almost everything i could (including forums), there may have been factors privy to you only.

4) they deserve what they got. Those who know me know i can be feisty. I would certainly have handled the taunting you got from the south americans differently. I really despair a country that doesnt have any real turnout, just as last elections turnout for our senior NT SUCKED. YEt i think the tide is turning in the US. If nothing else it might be worthwhile to check into global. I will be more democratic in general, and more exciting.

Honestly, if you win reelection with another lousy turnout, our whole country loses. If I am going to lose I hope the turnout is at least triple and people feel good about their choice.

Last edited by TheUnrepentantGunner at 6/2/2009 6:42:38 PM

No offense to you juice, and nominally you do address the responsiveness, but its very much an inner cult of you and a maybe 1-2 other people making the gametime decisions. what good would my input do to sway the minds of you and kdb et al? I don't even have a forums account anymore (i remade one a few weeks ago).

Disagree. This is a convenient excuse for people who want to be involved but never took the time to. It's essentially an open door policy. He might not take your advice but he'll listen to you.

No offense to you juice, and nominally you do address the responsiveness, but its very much an inner cult of you and a maybe 1-2 other people making the gametime decisions. what good would my input do to sway the minds of you and kdb et al?

We had 5 users (including myself) in the tactics thread on the offsite forum discussing the game, and another 3-4 via other means of communication.

That's certainly not 1-2 people.

2) flatout better tactics. this partially surprises me since i thought you almost helped build the engine. i mean you live near harvard where charles et al created the game engine. I have had to try my best to reverse engineer it, and i havent gotten it 100% right. i will have to watch my games and not just the box scores to track the statistics i truly want to track this year as well. that is a huge disadvantage yet i still feel with equal teams and on a neutral court i could win 55 out of 100 against you. that seems minor but its really huge.

I disagree, of course.

My main question is, in a must win game, why would you use a Patient offense?

(10660337)

Most any other offense and you probably, IMO, win.

Can you point to a game in these past Worlds besides the Spain game where the tactics were completely ridiculous to use in the first place (and not simply a matter of they used something off the wall)?

3) iffy. from day 1: possibly. from your last 4 matches on, almost assuredly not. you were, as you pointed out, in something of a hole. you went into the germany game a 25-75 dog, and didn't do anything stupid to blow it. i really disliked your call in the semifinals 2 seasons ago with the all big lineup, but it's not my place to criticize given that while i saw almost everything i could (including forums), there may have been factors privy to you only.

That was a risk against a team we felt was superior to us on a talent level, and it still may have worked had we not used Let Coach Decide, and ran Strictly Follow Depth Chart instead. Against Germany in the semis I felt we had a shot if we played well. We had a shot and almost got there.

4) they deserve what they got. Those who know me know i can be feisty. I would certainly have handled the taunting you got from the south americans differently. I really despair a country that doesnt have any real turnout, just as last elections turnout for our senior NT SUCKED. YEt i think the tide is turning in the US. If nothing else it might be worthwhile to check into global. I will be more democratic in general, and more exciting.

The South Americans? Who are they? Does that particular nation still play at the NT or U21 level?

Honestly, if you win reelection with another lousy turnout, our whole country loses. If I am going to lose I hope the turnout is at least triple and people feel good about their choice.

I want there to be a big a turnout as possible - the will of the community is what matters. Last time we had 51 votes total. The previous two elections I received 63 and 64 votes, respectively.

I don't like that.

The activity level has started to rise again, and we're going to be debuting an offsite chat room in the next day or two that is very easy to use and log into, which hopefully drives activity up.