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231460.121 in reply to 231460.120
Date: 2/19/2013 9:59:32 AM
KV Forever
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I just want to add my opinion and a few statements on what's fair or not:

- In BBBL i have never got a mail with a proposal to TIE, nor did i sent one. I also never got a warning of someone that will TIE.
- However, in the past when i was in D.II i have made such proposals myself. I have sent mails to my next opponent to agree to a TIE deal.
- I don't see such proposals as unfair: both managers agree to something which is allowed by the game. And everyone is allowed to do it, so noone is left out.
- I can understand that a third managers can sometimes feels a disadvantage from such a deal between two other managers. But, he's free to do so himself and it's something that is allowed.

Above is related to game mechanics.

You can also start the discussion about ethics.
- The only rule there is: don't lie, stick to the rules (both game rules as rules that would be defined by a group)
+ Example: if an agreement is made for a TIE, i expect the managers to stick by it... else you are just lying.
+ Example: if on the BBBL forum an unofficial rule would be agreed upon to not ake any TIE deals: i expect everyone to stick to that rule: ... else you are just breaking your promise.

Just my 2 cents and some food for thought ;)

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231460.123 in reply to 231460.122
Date: 2/19/2013 2:15:15 PM
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Hi Joe,
The reason i have not been anymore on the forum for 5 seasons (i trust you on that) is because i was bored of you always wanting to have the last word, influencing oppoents of your oppenents in order to make your life easier, using the forum more as a tool for you to reach victories more than a place of discussion.
What happened with Bradok, happened with me and for sure with other ones too... and you always make the same... complaining when it didn't work as you planned as if the other ones should be previsible... It's just boring! Of course you always apologize at the end... but you do it again and again... just boring!
This should just continue to be a Game... and when you put me nervous for dumb mails or reactions... it's not funy anymore... try to think about it.
I don't want to enter into teenagers school court and close the subject of discussion!

PS: A monopolio of words leads to a desert of writer ;)
PS: The banned comments had not to be taken at first degree as i thought it was abvious... but it seems it was not ;)

Saludos

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231460.124 in reply to 231460.122
Date: 2/19/2013 3:58:39 PM
Royal Canin
III.3
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Damned i ve lost... If only i had followed Joe's advice i would have probably win... Silly me... It was so close... I do see know why i should have plaid TIE... Too bad for me, i would be in conf finals otherwise...

Well at least i can see now that i m not the only one who think that Joe has something to say each time someone don't play has he should have... Meaning leaving him easy victory to rest his staters...

If someone want a good advice i can tell him that when he is way weaker than its opponant of the PO and that he has to play away with bad GS.... Try to win the last game to increase your ranking and don't hope for 4 injuries in the first quarter for your opponant..

Another advice, if you have to argue with Joe, be aware that he has the time to take every sentences you wrote and comment them instead of recognizing that he is wrong on the main purpose.... Even if he should get back to all its messages from the begining to try to demonstrate i don t know what..

Last edited by Bradok at 2/20/2013 3:37:07 AM

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231460.125 in reply to 231460.123
Date: 2/19/2013 4:07:16 PM
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@ Polle:

concerning TIE rule: you can break it if you want to. however, if you are a known TIE-deal breaker, people won't trust you. just your call.

As for offering a TIE deal: you seldom offer a TIE deal if you think both teams are equal. usually, when offering a TIE deal, you do it because you want to save enthusiasm or get a guarantee to get an easy win to save the minutes/GS. When i'm being offered, i know well that the opposing team needs to make a decision if i reject it. i just calculate if it's in my best interests to accept it or not. Just know that when you are offering a TIE deal, that you are basically telling the other manager that you want to win while playing with a weaker team.



@ Joe:

Well, since you asked to be called something, i'll call you a overcompetitve, impulsive,overzealous genius :P

@ Nico:
i'm probably in the wrong there because i started about joking around concerning the ban. However, what i was trying to point out is that the comment wasn't necessairy. I know you said it in a joking way, but i'd still rather not see something like that ;)

As to adress the content of the mail:

If other managers let themselves be influenced by what is written on the forum, then we've got a bunch of extremely naive people on the forum/BBBL. If Joe managed to influence results by using the forum, then he's used the forum to his advantage. there is no rule stating he can't do it. From my point of view, i always try to understand the managers and their decisions so that i can forsee the choices they make in the futur. I assume that most managers do what is best for there team, and then things such as the CT of bradok made doesn't make much sense. Heck, i've CTed Joe aswell once. Joe wasn't happy with it, because it was a illogical course of action.

Being illogical and unpredictable is part of the game. How you react to that, is also part of the game. Futhermore, Bradok has no obligation to explain/defend his choice of tactics. He could have simply answered that had been willing to CT the entire season, and that now it was at it's end and that he couldn't win anything anymore, that he finally used his CT. He also could have ignore Joe completely, letting others think of him what they wanted to. Bradok chose to defend his choise and thus Joe could take that info into account next time he faces bradok ( or someone else for that matter. i'm just using Bradok as an example here). I've already chosen to ignore someone who claims i'm a destroyer of active fora and communities. let the others make up their minds.

I think we all agree that the Joe we got now is less aggressive/impulise that the one we had 5 seasons ago. 5 seasons ago, Joe would have answered your post in a very provocative way. Yet he stayed pretty calm in this one. Everyone has an outburst from time to time ( even GM's do! we just avoid doing it in public) still i don't see how Joe (or anyone for that matter) could use the forum as a tool to win a BB game. still, it's your oppinion, you got the write to voice it. i just don't agree with your entire post. i reckonise that Joe has several aggressive posts towards decisions made by other managers, and as far as i know, he has appologized for all of those. You might find it annoying that it keeps happening again, yet i see improvements from Joes side concerning his wordchoice and tone in his posts.

Now, we can either go on about the antics of Joe and/or the antics of other BBBL managers or we can discuss BB as in tonightes results. Or you could all cast a vote for who you think will get the MVP award ( my vote would go to Luis Túpac Yupanqui of Boes). Good forum pots keep managers interested, which leads to active communities something which we desperately need to work on, cause we've gone from 500 active users to 370 over the past 2 seasons :S

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231460.126 in reply to 231460.125
Date: 2/21/2013 3:36:58 AM
Royal Canin
III.3
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Congratz to Mizu and Joe for their wonderfull campaign in B3... Too bad they none has reached the finals but having two teams in the last 4 must not be usually seen in B3 ! The supreme title is not so far away...

From: Coach Q

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231460.127 in reply to 231460.126
Date: 2/21/2013 1:15:29 PM
Basket Mizu Arlon
II.3
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The supreme title is not so far away...

it looks further than ever to me to tell the truth. that's as far as i'm able to go with my current squad and when you look at yesterday's result, i'm waaaaaaaaay below the required level. to have a shot at the b3 title, i have to find a completely different balance in the team, meaning replacing at least 2 players, means big money that i dont currently have... not to mention my aging squad. if i'm playing b3 next season, maybe i'll spend the money i have to have one last shot. but since i still think joe is killing me next saturday, i believe my best option will be to pipe down and get in line.

From: Bradok

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231460.128 in reply to 231460.127
Date: 2/22/2013 4:18:11 AM
Royal Canin
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It s true that having seen Dyonisos stats, especialy the ones from its first PO round (16 shoot inside !!!!!!) , the final victory in B3 seems far but third and fourt on more than 40.000 managers, this is something to be proud of.... Well its just a computer game of course but anyway...

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231460.129 in reply to 231460.127
Date: 2/23/2013 6:11:38 AM
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The supreme title is not so far away...

it looks further than ever to me to tell the truth. that's as far as i'm able to go with my current squad and when you look at yesterday's result, i'm waaaaaaaaay below the required level. to have a shot at the b3 title, i have to find a completely different balance in the team, meaning replacing at least 2 players, means big money that i dont currently have... not to mention my aging squad. if i'm playing b3 next season, maybe i'll spend the money i have to have one last shot. but since i still think joe is killing me next saturday, i believe my best option will be to pipe down and get in line.


i noticed your aging squad too. imo players cn be held up to 32 and be sold with decent value up to 29/30y old. u got to make some decisions.

As for Joe, he's got the players to go futher. he's got the youth players that are still being trained ( Canipel ammongst others)n and he's got Belgium best 2 NT players in Mees and Vercaigne ( without mentioning belgiums best defensif SF ever to be seen in Backaert). Joe was able to field 6 NT players ( 7 if we count his Czech player, tho hes no NT anymore). Joe has got the team to go the distance and one can but wonder how things would have turned out if Vercaigne had not been injured 2 weeks ago which induced his horrible GS.

i got a feeling that Joe could beat Mizu as i predicted a couple of day's ago. the sad thing about that is that we'd only have on B3 representative, but the truth is that Joe's got a team that none can rival in Belgium. he's been kind enough to always go for the cup and leave the 2nd B3 spot to the 2nd best Belgian team, but i think we all know that Joe has got the best team of our nation.

Mizu's first title might have been one where Joe wasn't stronger than Mizu. but the past 2 season, i'm 100% sure that Joe could have won those titles had he focused on the league instead of the cup. As it stands now, Joe has a team to have a 22-0 season in the BBBL. that say's A LOT about his power. Mizu has the advantage of being the reigning champ, so teams always seems to throw the games against the reigning champ. But Joe has the strongest team. If both teams were in their best shape on all players, i'd put my savings on Joe's team, regardless of who has HCA. With Vercaigne not back yet for 100% and mizu having HCA, i think it should be a pretty balanced game. I'm still picking Joe as my winner tho.

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231460.130 in reply to 231460.129
Date: 2/25/2013 6:17:55 AM
Royal Canin
III.3
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Well some of my PO predictions appears to be wrong...

Mizu has lost and Ventola won't be promoted next season.... Leaving an opportunity to another lux team to reach the BBBL... Come on Omaha and Split 84... fingers crossed !!!

With Ventola and Angie out of next year promotion candidates, its seems that the strongest team from D2 to avoid next season wil be Revo... No offence to the other ones, it s just my thought, which has already appears to be wrong more than once in the past.

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231460.131 in reply to 231460.130
Date: 2/26/2013 11:32:27 AM
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i'm surprized about Ventola and Angi. What happened their is a big upset. i doubt anyone saw that one comming.

As for those promotion. it's hard to say who's the stronger one and who isn't. nobody has checked all the rosters of the 8 teams that might promote, so i wouldn't say make a decision too fast just yet. nobody knows what the economies of the promoting managers are like, neither what they have trained, etc etc. (Not to mention that the finals still got to be played)

i find it amusing that some seem to think that my PO finals against TBS Wolves is already a fargone conclusion, where as i myself consider TBS a challenge.

The fact that Angi and Ventola aren't playing the PO finals just goes to show that anything can happen. one mistake on behalf of the tactical side or an injury and you've got an entire different PO series. I see atleast 2 teams who could rival my own squad ammongst those who could potentially promote, so declaring me to be the strongest looking team ammongst those who could promote is something which i would consider a hasty conclusion.

i might have had previous BBBL experience, which might give me an edge, but untill the PO series are over, i refuse to consider my team as a team in the BBBL. After seeing some inexplicable things this season, i don't want to jinx the GE by remotely suggesting my return to the BBBL and thus winning the II.2 title....

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