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I've been reading this thread for a while, and I still don't understand the problem.

Low level teams are screwing themselves out of wins in order to train NT beasts? More wins for me, and if I don't need one of their hugely expensive players to move up divisions, so much the better. I'll grow some good ones of my own along the way.

High-level teams can't afford to pay for the best players? Not my problem, since I'm not there yet, but obviously it hasn't kept those teams from achieving.

The only real gameplay issue seems to be national teams being populated by players that don't play in the better leagues in their countries. I agree that this is unrealistic and is a good reason, standing alone, to regulate farming. Perhaps the solution, rather than institute a salary cap to control the providers, is to go after the facilitators. Prohibit national teams from acquiring players whose salaries are more than X times the average salary of their team, and make X some number calculated to eliminate the possibility of a team with one guy at $100K and 6 or 7 guys at $5-6K placing their superstar on the national team.

This will actually open up NT participation to more people in lower divisions, not fewer, and will only shaft the people who farm.

Last edited by crimedevil at 5/25/2009 10:31:08 AM

I would better agree that NT player should play at least in div 3 team, not lower...

Or for example make something like div 4 max players wage not more then 20k, div3-35k, div2 50k, div1- no limit...

this would create at least something that would control the situation...

i think the problem is, that the IV Divion teams with those NT Cracks are probably teams from II or I Div Managers, just using a diffrent IP.

Just get things straight! Who of you guys thought of training just one player when they started in BB? do you enjoy loosing all the time? would you even know how to train a proper player?

My honest opinion is no, no, no.. it takes time to understand the game, to understand how training works etc, so i highly doubt those "farm teams" are just a team of a happy guy, who doesn't have a second bb team.

just my 2 cents

Or for example make something like div 4 max players wage not more then 20k, div3-35k, div2 50k, div1- no limit...

Part of my point was not to place any restrictions on the teams in BB, except for the national teams. I don't believe the economic restrictions are necessary, as I don't see how a Div. IV team in the USA is going to make much more than $110K on home games, if that. That's about where I topped out when I won my Div. IV championship -- if others make more money in USA Div. IV, speak up.

Now, the issue is that if you stripped down a team in USA Div. IV but could still manage to pull in about $100K per week from home games, you could afford to farm for one superstar player as long as you sold him once he hit about $70 or $80 K, i.e. you could get him up in salary near what you make in revenue before he became too big an economic problem. However, I think your solution creates more problems than it solves. What happens when a player in Div. IV gets good enough to make $30K? Do you take him away from his team? Do you stop paying him more? Do you stop him from training to get better?

That's why I like the idea of controlling what the national teams do, not what the regular teams do. Want realism? The national teams should simply be kept from taking players from farm teams on the ground that such players don't play on the national stage, with real competitive teams, and therefore are not properly representative of their countries' basketball talent. If you want to stretch your finances and lose games to make a great player, fine, but you won't do that and get him on the national team. And have no fear that the BB equivalent of Kobe or LeBron will languish on one of these teams, because they can't afford to keep him and will eventually have to sell him to a real team (which can then put him on the NT).

i think the problem is, that the IV Divion teams with those NT Cracks are probably teams from II or I Div Managers, just using a diffrent IP.

Just get things straight! Who of you guys thought of training just one player when they started in BB? do you enjoy loosing all the time? would you even know how to train a proper player?

My honest opinion is no, no, no.. it takes time to understand the game, to understand how training works etc, so i highly doubt those "farm teams" are just a team of a happy guy, who doesn't have a second bb team.

just my 2 cents

If widespread cheating by people holding multiple accounts is really going on, then there is no reason for its effects to be confined solely to the creation of a few farm teams. The entire foundation of the game would then be suspect, since people might be trading players between their own teams, or GMs might be cheating, et cetera. So if you believe no one is chasing down cheaters, or that the success rate is poor, why are you playing at all?

I prefer to think that the people charged with making this system work are conscientiously trying to do that. I hear a lot of people saying there are multiple accounts, but I don't see any evidence of that, and I do see teams with suspicious purchases get banned all the time. If you have some reason to believe otherwise that is more germane than your "2 cents," put that in instead.

Last edited by crimedevil at 5/25/2009 10:38:10 AM

i think the problem is, that the IV Divion teams with those NT Cracks are probably teams from II or I Div Managers, just using a diffrent IP.

you should better prove it, else i would say you are just a second team from someelse ;)

Just get things straight! Who of you guys thought of training just one player when they started in BB?

how many from the Nt farm do it? Normally they train 3 players, which i did without Nt players ... later one i get two of them because i did it like that.

My honest opinion is no, no, no.. it takes time to understand the game, to understand how training works etc, so i highly doubt those "farm teams" are just a team of a happy guy, who doesn't have a second bb team.

those farms plays several seasons before they got the money to achieve the players, and if we have lucky guys in germany with a great draft we help them to devolope this player with advise ;)

So did you have 5 millions at start to buy Fanesi? I just have 300k, and hshow me the nt "monster" you could buy with that ....

Yeah but that won't fit that good in your bad world.

nice speech (=

I type fast.

nice speech (=

but won't help ;)

In this case the players get trained to NT level on farm, and then the farm will buy another player and he get in team ... Then you could sell then again^^

If you like to see NT player in "normal" teams, they must to be attractive to then and this is just possible with reasonable salarys because the raise of the salary don't fit to the extra power a player gets for the training.

If you like to see NT player in "normal" teams, they must to be attractive to then and this is just possible with reasonable salaries because the raise of the salary don't fit to the extra power a player gets for the training.

this is what i have said in the first moments I came to the forum at the second season end.

I have said that I hope that TOP league clubs will be able to afford to have at least few stars and all the other team almost equal... but seems it`s impossible... I was really afraid of situation that is in HT there divine players are garbage... this seems the same as Ronaldo wont play for any team in football world and LeBrone wont play for any team in Basketball world...

The easiest way would be to put more money in game for higher leagues and make wider gap with way more bigger promotion prize... That teams would have to get rid of few of their players then they relegate and have to buy few then they promote if they wanna at least compete in higher league... we need real GAP if we wanna that this would be more realistic... but don`t think we`ll ever get it... cause majority of user wont like this to happen. All this means that Top div teams should be able to pay something around 200k salaries more then they are able for now, so this means div2 teams 100k more, div3 50k more...

as well as staff system could get part of this, there could be wider gap in their salaries. maybe something like div1 is paying 100% of salary, div2 90%, div3 70%, div4 55%

it should be thought again and more developed but this would help be more realistic then TOP teams would concentrate in wining the games by buying trained plaers from lower divs those would have better area for training them and improve them self from that...

I don`t know if anybody likes this idea I have managed to think long long time ago and just now remembered about it...

EDITED: This would make TOP teams more thinking about training stamina or FT instead of growing skills more and more... And I understand and I know that this would make div3 team chances to win the CUP almost impossible... so please don`t point this out as a minus for this idea, better try to develop it more

Last edited by ZyZla at 5/25/2009 11:49:41 AM

I have said that I hope that TOP league clubs will be able to afford to have at least few stars and all the other team almost equal... but seems it`s impossible... I was really afraid of situation that is in HT there divine players are garbage... this seems the same as Ronaldo wont play for any team in football world and LeBrone wont play for any team in Basketball world...

afaik the BB said something similiar, thats why i wonder why they don't act in this case.

I would say a maximum salary around 200k salary won't crush the econonics, and maybe make real strong centers still sensefull ... or at least if a additional rebound skill on ikstens don't cost 30k extra(just a guess), which is nothing in comparision to the maybe additional 0.5 rebounds.