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Well, if you're going to pay over 26k a week for a power forward that has 7 assists vs. over 200 turnovers in all games over the past four seasons and I am not at all surprised you've got to spend that much. Less rebounding and more handling/passing and the player will cost you less and you'll have more possession by cutting out the turnovers than you do with the extra rebounds. And yet with all your salary you can't put up better defensive ratings than that?

[edit - that comes across harsher than I intended, and he's far less egregious than some. Usually, though, the guys that have the 50k+ players in IV are going to have mostly beatable teams and often have guys who have salaries that greatly outpace their contribution. A guy in my IV last season had a 70k center and couldn't make the playoffs.]

Gutiérrez is an atrocious passer but makes up for it with D and RB. He's a decent scorer with good FTs. The Colored Zebras and the Five Lokos have a good/cheap #4 starter but their #5 guys are weak. I've tried to build a team that can be competitive in D3 so I can stick around there a while. I'll need to swap out Cabeleira and Torres next season.

D and RB are important, definitely. I actually am not a follower of what I preach here because my guards almost all have crappy RB. But secondary skills are definitely salary efficient and can often help you go down a level or two in primary skills.

Of course, again I compromised some there with my recent purchases. My original goal was that my big men needed at least average passing, handling and OD. Big men with passing in particular tend to help with inside scoring - because they're usually matched up against low OD guys and so passes from big man to another big man often lead to uncontested shots, and that requires a lot less IS to convert. But once you get to the 20k range, those guys become more and more rare - I settled for just having handling and passing and just using defensive matchups to avoid bigs that have some outside shooting.

Cool. I have 11 pops but 2 were in FT because he was injured 2 weeks (3 Fridays).

D and RB are important, definitely. I actually am not a follower of what I preach here because my guards almost all have crappy RB. But secondary skills are definitely salary efficient and can often help you go down a level or two in primary skills.

Of course, again I compromised some there with my recent purchases. My original goal was that my big men needed at least average passing, handling and OD. Big men with passing in particular tend to help with inside scoring - because they're usually matched up against low OD guys and so passes from big man to another big man often lead to uncontested shots, and that requires a lot less IS to convert. But once you get to the 20k range, those guys become more and more rare - I settled for just having handling and passing and just using defensive matchups to avoid bigs that have some outside shooting.

I have started emphasizing passing and free throws in my purchases recently. For PF and C, I don't look for OD but it is nice if someone has it.

Sounds good. It seems so much harder to find all of those in higher level big men, which was why I'm looking at training my own instead. Anyhow, good luck with the playoffs.

The data I have says that if you are training 5 guys together with a level 4 trainer it's basically impossible you are averaging a pop every 3 weeks. MAYBE at 18 if they are all like 5'10'' and have good elastics.... You've listed your best 3, which makes me think you were wprobably single po. and probably level 5 plus trainer on those guys.

Keep in mind that two of the guys (well, three if you count the recently-sold Tuozzi) reached those skills at the end of the season they were 21, while Wray was 20. Newton and Tuozzi were purchased 2/3 of the way through their 18 year old season. Wray was drafted the following season at 18, Menard purchased at 19 yo a month or so later (so he could well have been single-trained previously, but at19 yo + 4 weeks, he was 6-6-7-7-7-5-6 / 1-6-6-5. I had a couple of very low potential guys that got trained slightly the first season, and then a 1k star I picked up after the draft with Wray that got flipped at the end of the year. The following season I drafted a high potential guy and eventually sold him, as I wasn't going to be able to afford a high level trainer in my plan.

I switched over to 1 position (at least for pressure) earlier than I remember too. Of course, other than the allstar SF/SG, they were mostly only being trained every other week - I wanted Namo to try to at least get close to the OD level of the other guys, so I made sure to get him full training and stretch out the other guys.

So, suffice it to say, if you were thinking these guys were 20 and had those skills, I apologize for the lack of clarity. I'm impressed you can read through the wall of text in the first place. ;)

I didn't bother looking up those trainees on your roster page. If those were higher pot. and U20 then those aren't bad at all actually. for star though with OD around that point you are in cap territory. I counted 3~10 more pops for the first guy before he caps. Maybe if you just do ID/IS then he'll be okay, but I think your whole premise was not crosstraining, obviously with 1 RB he is a liability to play at C to say the least!!! This is another factor in the expense of training and why it's hard to make 5 balanced trainees at a time.

May even be less than that - if I were to give them a passing pop, Menard could cap if he was bare minimum star level, and Newton and Wray would be awful close. I had second thoughts about training them much on inside skills when I got my big men trainees - unlike the star guys at guard, I don't want to waste too many weeks with them on two position training skills that can be single position trained. While playing the guys out of position wouldn't be a problem with defensive switches, I decided instead I'll just do 1v1 for forwards and hope for IS pops there, and just accept that I'm not going to improve their ID further. The big guys need more 1v1 to help their guard skills anyhow.