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...but they can read your mind so stop thinking bad things. No thought crime!

This mostly will not get you in trouble if you do not report it. Especially not if it only happens once.

HOWEVER!

As cheaters try to invent more sophisticated ways to stay out of the radar, we are aware of their posibilities and I can not garantee it will not bring you any trouble.

So if this happens more then once, and you want to be sure, you can send a report on your own team. We can see fairly easy if it involves cheating or not.
If there was no cheating on your side, nothing bad will happen to you. Contrary, we are gald you help us keep the game fair for everyone.

one thing i do hate is when the transfer price estimate varies wildly

you have a guy you are not sure about and it says something like

Of these, the ones with skills most similar to GM-Lord of Doom have been selling for around $ 150 000 to $ 600 000.

so you list your guy for 300000 and the NEXT DAY it says

Of these, the ones with skills most similar to GM-Lord of Doom have been selling for around $ 100 000 to $ 200 000.

and you look like a cheating idiot

the transfer estimate is just an "estimate" it is no since, and nothing where you had to live with it. The GM will look every reported or found caseseriously and with a much better estimate their experience.

In your example, if 300k is to much for those player and he show up in the beginning 150-600k and when it runs aout 400-900k, you could still look like an cheating idiot if he was selled because you sell him for more then he is worth.

one thing i do hate is when the transfer price estimate varies wildly

you have a guy you are not sure about and it says something like

Of these, the ones with skills most similar to GM-Lord of Doom have been selling for around $ 150 000 to $ 600 000.

so you list your guy for 300000 and the NEXT DAY it says

Of these, the ones with skills most similar to GM-Lord of Doom have been selling for around $ 100 000 to $ 200 000.

and you look like a cheating idiot

well, if the player truely isn't worth the 300k, you will not get a bidder.

the same is true if the estimate wouldn't have changed, if the player isn't worth the 300k, even if it says has been sold for up to 600k, you will not get a bidder as the teams wanting such a player will be able to buy those for 200k max.

If you DO get a bid, and you feel he wasn't worth it, it is time to report, as cheaters use the tranfer estimate to justify their amounts, which obviously does not work with us, but by this fact everyone who does not report indeed does LOOK like a cheater. Which won't necessarily mean they are threated that way... but that's a diffrent story altogether about which I am not permitted to talk about.

but remember this: it's better to look like an idiot, then to be a cheater ;)

i have been only casually following this thread, but your last post has me a little intimidated (sort of like your team logo).

if we use the estimate, and it is proven to be incorrect, then we can be guilty of cheating?

additionally, the BB's recognize the estimator is flawed, to the point that it can produce ridiculous estimates? and it is the obligation of the seller to know when to and when not to rely on the estimate?

then why provide us with an estimate at all? it seems to me it is an elaborate entrapment.

i wonder why there is any discussion at all that proceeds from the premise there can be an "unfair" price for a player. the TL is a market that has its own rules, but works best when left to the participants. if someone thinks player x is worth $300,000, and the more experienced manager thinks that is ridiculous, so what? i can imagine an entire range of rationales for someone "overpaying", some good (i need a player immediately), some not so good (wouldn't it be neat to have a 7-foot PG), to "i don't know what i am doing" (wow, a Hall of Fame potential and he is only 26). the market teaches tough lessons quickly, and i think that can be a very effective way of learning this aspect of the game.

what i am saying, i suppose, is that if i have a player whose top skill is average, and i slap a million dollar price tag on him, and someone buys him, and he is in germany and i am in the u.s. and collusion is impossible, then why would this be "cheating"? idiocy, yes. my good fortune, yes. a huge mistake for the german player, yes. but i don't see this as all that different as when i chose to play FCP against a team and then learned what it is like to never get a rebound -- i learned a lot from that mistake, and my opponent benefited from my mistake. being dumb is not "cheating".

additionally, the BB's recognize the estimator is flawed, to the point that it can produce ridiculous estimates? and it is the obligation of the seller to know when to and when not to rely on the estimate?

then why provide us with an estimate at all? it seems to me it is an elaborate entrapment.

because it is in most times rigth and helps to figure out the worth of the player, and maybe because it is sometimes flawed they call it estimate.

i have been only casually following this thread, but your last post has me a little intimidated (sort of like your team logo).

if we use the estimate, and it is proven to be incorrect, then we can be guilty of cheating?

you are guilty of cheating when you cheat, but if you sell players for a too high amount of money they could reduce it to a normal price(and normally they are close to the top end of it they aren't mean).

If you use a to high estimate, to sell the player to a friend -> in this case you could be punished for cheating but with such transfer you should be cautious anyway.

if someone thinks player x is worth $300,000, and the more experienced manager thinks that is ridiculous, so what? i can imagine an entire range of rationales for someone "overpaying", some good (i need a player immediately), some not so good (wouldn't it be neat to have a 7-foot PG), to "i don't know what i am doing" (wow, a Hall of Fame potential and he is only 26). the market teaches tough lessons quickly, and i think that can be a very effective way of learning this aspect of the game.

in case of ridicoulus sum it isn't fair, and also it would make it very easy for good cheaters who are able to hide that they had several accounts and making ridicoulus money in just saying he though he is worth 5 times of the normal value why punishing me for that - and don't forget the buler isn't the only one who is punished for paying to much it gives an unfair advantages for the seller and punish this way all of his opponents.

what i am saying, i suppose, is that if i have a player whose top skill is average, and i slap a million dollar price tag on him, and someone buys him, and he is in germany and i am in the u.s. and collusion is impossible, then why would this be "cheating"

to be honest, most of my friends have vpn servers in america to look like americans to watch hulu etc.(also i know some americans, who could do me a favour) so collusion is never impossible.

but i don't see this as all that different as when i chose to play FCP against a team and then learned what it is like to never get a rebound -- i learned a lot from that mistake, and my opponent benefited from my mistake. being dumb is not "cheating".

in this case just your opponent is punished, you see the difference? Or maybe you because you use the fcp^^