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Maybe it's you who don't train in a efficient way, because it's really easy to train IS in outside players, just train JS&1n1 in SF-PF and you will see how the IS of your player will raise.

Massing OD& training 1n1 or JS in SF-PF it's an easy way to have a good team without doing a big effort

First of all I doubt it's the case with low height 24 years old SGs. Secondly, you have to play them out of position that means you can easily loose games, not everyone can afford that all the time. Thirdly, why people pay crazy money for balanced SFs? Because it's so easy to train them? I doubt that.

I believe that changing 2-3 zone and making it somehow easy to use for everyone will mean shifting balance to Outside offenses and forcing people to use different training patterns.

Well thats going off-topic but it's really easy to train in the SF-PF positions like 50% of managers does in first spanish division, even if they are low height(players) and with 27-28 they still can train. Like this team (76608) and he had a really good results, so you seem don't know a lot what impact can have if BB's make some changes on 2-3.

buying expensive SF with high IS, just buy 3 SGs with high JS and JR and play RnG?

That's what some B3 teams did, they bought or trained 3 PG's with high OD, passing and nice driving-IS to score from inside, plus they had 2 big inside mans, but the diference is that they started playing LI(with 3 outside players in PG-SG-SF position). Most of the teams are changing to this, because if they face an outside team they can play 3-2 and they know they are so hard to counter on the inside(there isn't any zone that can stop them).

(25843) Another team that trains mass OD, one of his players has OD 18 and passing 11(and he is only 21 years ¡¡¡) and the salary of this kind of players it's really low. If you continue training this kind of players in SF-PF position(well on the SF) then you can have a so good defender and passing player, but he also will be a nice scorer when he drives to the inside.

You can't counter this teams, because if you play 2-3 you can't stop the drivings of the outside players, which is unreal for sure, and i'll repeat NT's have great SF and even if we tried a 2-3 you just can't stop the drivings of the outside players, that should be changed if 3 big guys are defending close it's unreal an outside player can get in that easy unless it's Rose.

So yes fix the 2-3 it's unreal when outside players drive under the basket like the hell... It seems you play against 3 Roses on the court ¡

Last edited by Marot at 5/16/2011 8:47:01 PM

Maybe it's you who don't train in a efficient way, because it's really easy to train IS in outside players, just train JS&1n1 in SF-PF and you will see how the IS of your player will raise.

Massing OD& training 1n1 or JS in SF-PF it's an easy way to have a good team without doing a big effort

It's as easy as clicking a mouse for you, so it's not hard, but compared to training JS, JR on 6'0 it is a thankless job.
I didn't know it was that easy at BB to have your guards score layups on 2-3 zone, I'll try more LI :)

There are more than 3 variables. Doesn't 2-3 zone beat Low Post?

But there's no balance in real sport, not at least in NBA. LI is what most successful teams use, putting pressure on the defence team. So the defence team has to give up something if they switch from m2m.
Although if 2-3 zone is no good vs Low Post, it is questionable.

If 2-3 works and everyone played 2-3 then everyone uses R&G tehn everyone playes 1-3-1 nad that shuts the R&G down.

having an antidote to LI will not kill it as a strategy. You'll need a team that can run LI AND maybe Patient or motion etc. So you can mix it up. Then your opponent will also have to mix it up a bit. Different teams will build for different strategies and it will be fun...

Until over hundreds of games we find another overpowered strategy. Balance can be acheived, but not overnight . I think the goal should be a balanced game where no strategy hands down dominates all others and has no counteraction.

In game design balance is a critical element anytime you give the user options. If the options are not balanced then its usually referred to as a difficulty rating.

Yes it will not kill the strategy they will use LI but will start to build Outside dominating teams because it will be cheaper to do that, instead of buying expensive SF people buy 2-3 extra SGs, the prices of players trained out of position will go down. People came a long way realizing how to play LI effectively and when that day came people asking to shut them down. I am actually closely looking for Marot's lobbying to change 2-3 zone and thinking about going back to RnG because BB has tendency to change things if people are discussing the topic very intensively.