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Lets be clear. From my standpoint, I whatever happens, happens. Yes its a new game, so if they need to do special tweaking to it, then fine. I still agree with the other guys post, but know as a user - you use the system your given.

Can we agree that it's a lil frustrating for the group of players who don't adjust to change very well or didn't plan accordingly. That number (based on this posting and others) seems to be pretty big

Edited by Bobo's Playhouse (11/29/2007 11:13:32 PM CET)

Last edited by Bobos Playhouse at 11/29/2007 11:13:32 PM

Never could imagine that thread would hit the 100 count. Which is good thing especially for the BB's right? They can analise the posts and maybe improve the game by the posts



Edited by Anx (11/29/2007 11:35:29 PM CET)

Last edited by Anx at 11/29/2007 11:35:29 PM

I did: sold as many old and mediocre players as I could and now bought a quite good shooting guard, a cheap point guard, and two young centers for training, since the training speed gonna be increased.

The problem: I didn't expect this tons of free agents (specially when I read that this will continue for several weeks) This really will sink the market. And this is a real problem for newer teams: How can i survive if i lose 50000$ a week and my players are worth fifth than they value previously?
Worse: with many compromised teams as mine more an more teams will become bot generating more free agents.
And what will you gonna say to teams which spent 200-400k in 18 year players just few days before the announce and that now found that their inversion is worthless?
I play Hattrick and they had a real problem with market deflaction: they solved it injecting money in low level divisions (where most of teams are) . These free agents steals money from teams. Soon no team will have money to buy any player nor will get any income from player selling or training. Since I get 15k from arena revenues.. how the hell can i survive?



Edited by rodolfo (11/29/2007 11:31:10 PM CET)

Edited by rodolfo (11/29/2007 11:31:32 PM CET)

Last edited by rodolfo at 11/29/2007 11:31:32 PM

I think we take it as a given that any change to the rules will be received with a large amount of unrest, even if the change is for the longer term good in that people have planned based upon the old rules..... on the other hand we think that there is no way we are gonna get it perfect, so we have to make changes.... its a bit of a rock and a hard place.

we are aiming to only react (in terms of changing rules) to large problems, and not react to every little thing because of this fact.. and is really why if in a debate we hear yelling equal on either side we don't move.. because moving elicits even more unrest from those who were silent during the initial debate.

I agree with that, but perhaps you missed the point that rookie managers really have problems with economy. Abrupt changes really break the plans of teams that stressed their economy to have better results, i guess would be many since we play for win don't we? I really suggest soft and gradual changes. This game has potential but from my point of view you are running too much.

After one month playing I start realizing that i cannot afford a level 9 trainer nor so many players with 5000$ salary o may be yes if i would set up cheaper prices for my arena seats (how can you guess the best fares if you had to wait one month for changing them but you get fired after 2 weeks in red numbers?) . It doesn't matter: i won't recover from my errors because they are going to give me nothing for my players

I'll be glad of being one of few that will lose the team in 2 or 3 weeks, but keep an eye on rookie players because i think many of us are now deadly wounded

I'm now playing in 5th division with fair chances of playing playoffs if i lose my team and ask a new one i will be in 7th division, no fun at all

Edited by rodolfo (11/30/2007 1:31:38 AM CET)

Last edited by rodolfo at 11/30/2007 1:31:38 AM

but you get fired after 2 weeks in red numbers?

Where did you get that idea?

That's not true.

From the rules:

If you drop below -$500k, you must get out of debt within two weeks or you will be fired as general manager because the team goes bankrupt.

Edited by GM-JuicePats (11/30/2007 1:58:14 AM CET)

Last edited by Edju at 11/30/2007 1:58:14 AM

I agree to BB; once a move has been made, stick with it. I have fully trust in the philosophy of why it has been done. Now we need to give it time to go to the equilibrium as anyone of BB has predicted. In the meantime there will be debate; but stick to the plan. There will be inbalance in the shortrun; unavoidable though. Or do people really want a reset of the whole BB world and start from day zero?

So I believe this is the right choice and support it.

but you get fired after 2 weeks in red numbers?

Where did you get that idea?

That's not true.

From the rules:

If you drop below -$500k, you must get out of debt within two weeks or you will be fired as general manager because the team goes bankrupt.

Edited by GM-JuicePats (11/30/2007 1:58:14 AM CET)

Sorry, seems that I miss that "if you drop below -500k" when I read that paragraph.

I'm glad of being wrong - that means I've enough margin to survive.

But many of my arguments still make sense: sudden changes in market can harm many teams and deflaction may be a serious problem unless growth rate is so high that compensates it.

go ahead, but remember that Rome was not built in two days...

regards

I quite agree with Rodolfo.
I don't dispute BB's decisions at all, I have no knowledge of economy and even less of economy of online games to do that.
But it's a fact that a new manager has difficulties to understand how the team economy works. Most new players like to immediately reinforce their teams and to make investments, but in BB is quite difficult to understand how much cash a new manager can actually spend in the first weeks.
In my opinion a simple economic guideline (in the rules or in a help thread) for new teams could reduce the number of players leaving BB after a few weeks.

Btw, I love this game! :)

I have enjoyed reading this little debate, and for awhile there I was going to just sit back and be a voyuer in this discussion but I have seen some things happen that have made me change that decision.

I would honestly say this is a fun game, I have a good time watching my players and team grow through training I have been able to have some success in my league and am managing to do well in the cup.

The problem with the release of these players like a bomb on the market has done a couple things. As a Div IV player, until you find the rhythm and start getting some wins and butts in the seats, if you want to be competitive you need to make moves and progress your team. I trained an individual and was honestly a day or two from putting him on the market so that I could get some buffer cash when I found out he was almost worthless. He had gone from a decently trained player that would have gotten me a decent bit of coin, to an average joe. While I can use him in my lineup it would have made the financial woes a bit easier to deal with. On the other hand right before this release was done I had spent 160k of capital on a player that was decent only to find out if I had waited 3 days there would be better players released with lower costs associated.

On the flip side, teams that had done poorly or were their personell were mismanaged, as long as they had a little extra revenue could now go out and buy players, making teams that were poorly run, contenders due to having a little financial gain from not making moves ie arena advancments, lots of losses to decimate their fan base. If they had not spent any money all of a sudden they are able to purchase a team and make a run at it. This does not seem fair on a competitive level even though I think the NY yankees would now be masterminds of BB.

I have made roster moves to try and stay ahead of those that I have managed to be ahead of, and during those moves have realized something. THese payers that were ok players and werent going to be of interest to NBBA and Div teams, well I have been in bidding wars over several players against D I and DII teams. These players realistically shouldnt be accessible to me however I have seen them and purchased some. But so can my opponents.

This rapid aging of the game seems a bit thoughtless and I dont understand why only the best players could have trickled on to the market where the teams making the top money could have afforded them, leaving the rest of us to train what we have or pick up prospects, that are trainable and if you do well enough with those maybe pick yourself up someone who is a star.

If its worries about players not reaching uber greatness yet, then make the 18yo draft picks start out at a notch up so they can be trained to that level by 20-22 yo. This artificial maturation has made the competiveness at the lower levels a bit lopsided to those who have done nothing mismanaged and lost vs those who have spent time training and trying to win games and make moves.

Just my .02 and they are probably canadian

If its worries about players not reaching uber greatness yet, then make the 18yo draft picks start out at a notch up so they can be trained to that level by 20-22 yo.

One of the changes made will be that younger players will now train much more rapidly, so in effect they will do precisely what you've said.