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From: Mr J

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You didn't add anything to that list (scouting is a part of setting the line up). Game shape and training plan, that's because you're a nice guy. It's out of your hands.

I said you gave a simplistic view of an U21 Coaches job. Therefore I extrapolated
Read my post again mate.

What I would want from my U21 Coach is all of the above plus:
- Consistent contact with players coaches regarding Game Shape and training plans
- Scouting players, Rival U21 Teams and tactics
- Updates of how the team is going in the BB-Forums
- Firm grasp of training tactics (elastic effects)

I'd personally much rather a candidate who would go to these lengths than one that wouldn't.


I think you are spot on, Leeroy. However, I would join both your lists and suggest that they are the roles of the U21 NT Coach. Which is what you were suggesting I think. Those of us running would be remiss to ignore your experience and comments.


On reading previous posts and how conversationsd have morphed somewhat recently, I would like to just clear up a possible misconception: that I have a somewhat utopian idea of what our community should look and function like.

When I decided to run for this position it soon occurred to me that putting aside all of the facets of the U21 NT role (all of those listed above by ezy and Leeroy combined), I wanted a foundation that made 'my' job easier as coach. I felt that having a selection of assigned 'experts' would be beneficial to help managers of players with training, general advice etc.

I also thought that having all our U21 NT needs met in one place was beneficial as it provided a clean slate, easily accessible material that the offsite forum doesn't offer anymore.

I thought that many Aussie managers would see the value of such a foundation. I also thought that a newly created Federation would/could be that foundation. Perhaps I was niave?

Over the last few days I have slightly altered my perceptions of what the community wants and what it will utilise. Let me briefly explain my new thinking:

1. Instead of individual 'experts' assigned to 18yr olds, 19yr olds etc I think a thread within the federation designated for each age group would work better where all managers can have their say about players...what they should like like...how they could be trained etc.
2. Concerning game tactics, I would put my views of our next game on the discussion thread and invite managers to discuss my intended tactics and player choices. Having a discussion about these matters has worked for us Calamari in our Fed and would be of even greater value on a larger scale.
3. I still believe that we could get more interest from managers if we created a new federation (that encompasses both U21 and NT business) that is not just informative but interesting. This could, as I suggested previously, be done through 'tongue-in-cheek' post-match reviews, by engaging pre-match writeups or through easily setup threads like a HOF to showcase former U21 talent. Of course, these 'extras' would be 'cool' but may not happen. But it is still a vision of mine that they occur. I'm not a dreamer; I am simply looking for easy and exciting addons for managers.
4. As Coach I would take full responsibility of the 18yr olds (saving them where necessary) and making contact with managers of prospects and not leaving that to an '18yr old' Mentor (an experienced manager) which I had previously considered. I would also touch base with managers regularly in regards to GS and how their maintenance of it effects their player's chance of playing and the team in general.
5. I believe that having a newly created Federation could still benefit non-supporters through weekly updates on the Aussie forum by myself as Coach. I could post about recent performances and provide a brief analysis or general comments. Having a PR guy to enhance this would be 'cool' but may not occur.


Last edited by Mr J at 6/13/2013 6:15:15 AM

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Sorry..continued...

6. I still believe that while a larger team to support the coach would be beneficial to do more, its more realistic to have a smaller number of people initially who can provide support. Their roles might be to help with scouting of opponents and their tactics for example. As the team evolves more positions may be created by individuals wanting to do more.

I guess I want it to be clear that while my original vision has altered, I still believe most of what I had set out is achievable and necessary. I had not intended for people to think that I was attempting to do everything as the coach but rather that as Coach, what could I have in place that will make my job easier, keep and enhance interest and ensure that this season and the next---and future teams---achieve to their potential on the court.

From: Kilrtom

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Your long post is impressive. I almost read it all.

You've got my vote if you join my federation.....

(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/fedoverview.aspx?fe...)

Seriously...Join my federation (need 4 more members for 100!) and you get a extra vote.

Otherwise Peacenroll gets it re spite

Manager of the Bahamas National Team!
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haha
so do I need to leave your federation ;)

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Dont blackmail me for blackmailing Mr Green!

Tell you what, if you stay and Mr Green joins, one of you will get my vote!

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I will not buy your vote. Please just vote for the person you think will do the best job. ;)

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But im not running.....oh snap!

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But im not running.....oh snap! :)


I said best person for role not best spammer ;)

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Came across this set up which is on the home page for the Deutschland National Team



Please upload your players regularly to this database (http://ntscout.ojays.net/index.php) - you can set the password you need there here (http://www.buzzerbeater.com/prefs/profile.aspx).

If anyone has got any questions concerning the training of his player, please feel free to contact one of the souts. (126538.32)

Thanks in advance!

Scouting Saison 23:

NT-Coach: Wendell Alexis (34537)
U21-Coach: Nachtmahr (35050)

Guards

18 – Karangula (26416)
19 – Gringo (26366)
20 – Duck (34652)
21 – shadow (34917)
22+ - Karangula (26416)
25 - Konrad Kaiser (26311
26+ - Karangula (26416)

Forwards

18 - Spenski (34823)
19 - Spenski (34823)
20 - bignasty15 (34354)
21 - bignasty15 (34354)
22 - Herr Kaslewski (34192)
23+ - HobbesTheOne (34160)

Center

18 - gorgfan (35090)
19 - gorgfan (35090)
20 - Northern Warlord (34855)
21 - Northern Warlord (34855)
22+ - HobbesTheOne (34160)


Dont see why this job sharing concept couldnt extend to other functions like PR, scouting of opposition teams etc as Matty has suggested, perhaps we might even have an IT expert amongst our community

I do tend to disagree a little with Ezlife in that I think a really good National Coach should be helping to;
Motivate, encourage and share knowledge with other coaches so that suitable candidates are keen and able to take the role on.

No good being "just" a great Manager and pissing off everyone in the process. Diplomacy and communication skills will be needed. (not suggesting Ezlife is lacking in these traits)

I did like the concept of how Iwen tried to split up the roles which should have helped lessen his workload but also help develop other Managers.

Personally I was happy for the Wombat Federation to encompass a U21 and National team threads, but I can live with another Federation being set up specifically for that purpose.

Excellent gesture by Mickyster to offer to take a couple of days off to scout the team.

Ive known Ezlife for probably the longest of all 3 of you candidates and have always got on well with him and considered him a friend, but am probably leaning towards casting my vote for either Matty and Mickyster.










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That is a great set up. My thing would be to link people to players who were 18 in a particular season and they follow them along the line to to speak. So you might get this seasons 18 year old SFs and you work with those managers for as long as they are building till NT age or they stop training. Once your guys get to 22 or 23 you stay with them but start again with a new 18 year old group.

Other roles are can also add to the team. Having a PR guy and scouting guy etc will allow those who wish to help out. If no one is willing to do a role the manager has to cover it. But any help given will make the process easier and more effective.

From: Mr J

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That is a great set up. My thing would be to link people to players who were 18 in a particular season and they follow them along the line to to speak. So you might get this seasons 18 year old SFs and you work with those managers for as long as they are building till NT age or they stop training. Once your guys get to 22 or 23 you stay with them but start again with a new 18 year old group.


I like this idea. We may struggle to have Mentors stay with Mentorees this long but a great idea non the less.


Other roles are can also add to the team. Having a PR guy and scouting guy etc will allow those who wish to help out. If no one is willing to do a role the manager has to cover it. But any help given will make the process easier and more effective.


Agreed. And this is what I wanted to make clear: that while I have a vision that could eventually occur (ie large, one-stop-shop for all NT stuff with a range of staff and designated roles) ultimately, the Coach has to do all the hard work unless others come on board to assist and share in the load.

@Sid...a great example of what is capable. I wanted that but I now think perhaps we're are not ready for something that comprehensive. Instead, we should---as I keep saying/ranting lol---start small and expand.

@Kilrtom...I'll take your 'offer' (#cough#blackmail#cough) under advisement...lol

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