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Totally agree. The FA effect has had a multiplier effect as well as the overall number of managers reduces, new players are being trained every day and those old players just keep on coming back again and again unless they are total rubbish. I think it must be even worse for lower teams who want to compete. When I first won division III my most expensive player was around $10,000 and now it is typically more like around nearly $100,000 - no wonder they struggle when they hit division II and so many decide to tank it.

The FA effect has had a multiplier effect as well as the overall number of managers reduces,

Well both you and our resident GM are both outspoken about this situation.

What can the good people like yourselves do to persuad those who control the Game Engine, to fix it ?????????

They don't want to fix it because they think it is good for the game. Lots of people have complained in the past about how hard it is to catch up to the "established" teams like all you ABBL legends. Well now it isn't. Any team can now buy amazing players for a song. The world has changed, we are disadvantaged but new teams *think* they are getting a benefit when really they can be crippling their teams long term success by too much easy access to great players with huge salaries before they know how to use them. Imagine a new team, with their $250,000, they see an incredible player for sale, he is only 35 and is on a $50,000 a week salary so they spend it all and buy him. They just wrecked their team's future. Couldn't happen when I started.

Interesting analysis there Yoda.

Did you realise we had an "Arthur Daley" in the ABBL ??

Brady Dowd 18 year old superstar brought on 16/2 for $1,000.

Now for sale asking price $139,000

Ludwig Spaur was brought on the 16/2 for $3,000

Now for sale, asking price $139,000

Noticed the same entrepeneur still has a fetish for acquiring 18 year olds

Good luck to him


(Edit - Just realised most of the Managers in this game are probably to young to know of Arthur Daley)

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 2/24/2012 4:54:37 AM

They don't want to fix it because they think it is good for the game. Lots of people have complained in the past about how hard it is to catch up to the "established" teams like all you ABBL legends. Well now it isn't. Any team can now buy amazing players for a song. The world has changed, we are disadvantaged but new teams *think* they are getting a benefit when really they can be crippling their teams long term success by too much easy access to great players with huge salaries before they know how to use them. Imagine a new team, with their $250,000, they see an incredible player for sale, he is only 35 and is on a $50,000 a week salary so they spend it all and buy him. They just wrecked their team's future. Couldn't happen when I started.

News Posted by: BB-Marin 2/21/2012 3:12:47 AM Free Agents
Free Agents have been "reinforcing" the player transfer market for a long time now. So long, we've all gotten used to them. The initial intention for them was to save some valuable players from BB oblivion (retirement), but, at the same time, they had their impact on player prices. Player prices for inside players have been especially hit (due to their higher salaries). To counter that impact, we've decided to raise the minimum salary for all player positions and change the fixed minimum salary to a variable one, based on those positions, effective immediately.

So how does this exactly work? This means, specifically, that the new free transfer limit for players being released in the market from bot teams is changed from the fixed $10 000 to $12 000 for players with their best position determined as point guards while shooting guards have it raised to $14 000, small forwards to $16 000, power forwards to $18 000 and centers to $20 000. Bear in mind that those values are halved for players fired by active teams.

We hope these changes will reinvigorate and balance the transfer market in the future, but since our economy is such a complicated and unpredictable system, we may decide to change these values again after we reassess their effect on the market. We wish you the best of luck with all your player transfers!


Its a small step I guess to try to balance things

Trivial. It used to be that PGs of salary $9,999 or less were retired and $10,000 or more would become free agents. Now it is $11,999 or less that retire and $12,000 or more that become free agents. The gap is bigger for centers but it doesn't matter, it isn't the players in this price range that were causing the problems.

Whats the solution to make it balanced?

Do you reduce the weekly salary of top end players, so that they become more valuable?

Do you reduce the number of players that become available as free agents?


Look Im pretty left field, but I pose this question to the GM

Why dont the people who run the game, prepare a survey (on survey monley or the like, so that the data can be quickly extracted) and allow all the Managers the opportunity to contribute their thoughts and ideas ????

Possibly include a bit of a preamble as to what their utopic BB world would be like and explain the dangers of the balance of the "game engine" tilting too far one way of the other.

Just a thought

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 2/24/2012 6:12:54 AM

I don't know mate. All I know is be prepared when suggesting ideas because some of these BB managers are vicious. I know when I first started playing (Sep '09) I made a suggestion for being allow to add polls. I got ridiculed by GMs and experience players. I also got 1 balled in the old balling system. After a couple years later the BBs added it and now people happily use it...

hahaha that entrepreneur is going to end up very broke and very sorry...

You know what they say... if you get knocked down you just have to get back up and try again.
You can fail ten times but you only need to succeed once to reap the rewards.

But in this case... I really feel I should just cut the loses and move on to a new plan.

Cause no matter what happens there will be winners and losers. The market is not something we can predict but there are trends based on the demand and supply of players.

Its hard to make a decision on these things because there are just so many opinions flying around and you can never keep everyone happy.

Take Black Label Society as an example. Direwolf is one of the best managers probably in the world. Look at Grgur Fatur a brilliant player who was second in MVP voting last season in the ABBL.

Transfer 3/27/2011 15 Purchased from KK Stomorska for $ 3 333 333
Transfer 2/20/2012 19 Purchased from Black Label Society for $ 530 700

Obviously he has aged from his prime but at age 30 he is hardly washed up. If one of the best managers in the game is making $2.8 million losses in single transactions something dramatic has happened to the market.

PS: Why didn't Bryce "predict" this one as well?