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From: Mr J

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Sorry..continued...

6. I still believe that while a larger team to support the coach would be beneficial to do more, its more realistic to have a smaller number of people initially who can provide support. Their roles might be to help with scouting of opponents and their tactics for example. As the team evolves more positions may be created by individuals wanting to do more.

I guess I want it to be clear that while my original vision has altered, I still believe most of what I had set out is achievable and necessary. I had not intended for people to think that I was attempting to do everything as the coach but rather that as Coach, what could I have in place that will make my job easier, keep and enhance interest and ensure that this season and the next---and future teams---achieve to their potential on the court.

From: Kilrtom

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Your long post is impressive. I almost read it all.

You've got my vote if you join my federation.....

(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/fedoverview.aspx?fe...)

Seriously...Join my federation (need 4 more members for 100!) and you get a extra vote.

Otherwise Peacenroll gets it re spite

Manager of the Bahamas National Team!
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haha
so do I need to leave your federation ;)

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Dont blackmail me for blackmailing Mr Green!

Tell you what, if you stay and Mr Green joins, one of you will get my vote!

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I will not buy your vote. Please just vote for the person you think will do the best job. ;)

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But im not running.....oh snap!

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But im not running.....oh snap! :)


I said best person for role not best spammer ;)

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Came across this set up which is on the home page for the Deutschland National Team



Please upload your players regularly to this database (http://ntscout.ojays.net/index.php) - you can set the password you need there here (http://www.buzzerbeater.com/prefs/profile.aspx).

If anyone has got any questions concerning the training of his player, please feel free to contact one of the souts. (126538.32)

Thanks in advance!

Scouting Saison 23:

NT-Coach: Wendell Alexis (34537)
U21-Coach: Nachtmahr (35050)

Guards

18 – Karangula (26416)
19 – Gringo (26366)
20 – Duck (34652)
21 – shadow (34917)
22+ - Karangula (26416)
25 - Konrad Kaiser (26311
26+ - Karangula (26416)

Forwards

18 - Spenski (34823)
19 - Spenski (34823)
20 - bignasty15 (34354)
21 - bignasty15 (34354)
22 - Herr Kaslewski (34192)
23+ - HobbesTheOne (34160)

Center

18 - gorgfan (35090)
19 - gorgfan (35090)
20 - Northern Warlord (34855)
21 - Northern Warlord (34855)
22+ - HobbesTheOne (34160)


Dont see why this job sharing concept couldnt extend to other functions like PR, scouting of opposition teams etc as Matty has suggested, perhaps we might even have an IT expert amongst our community

I do tend to disagree a little with Ezlife in that I think a really good National Coach should be helping to;
Motivate, encourage and share knowledge with other coaches so that suitable candidates are keen and able to take the role on.

No good being "just" a great Manager and pissing off everyone in the process. Diplomacy and communication skills will be needed. (not suggesting Ezlife is lacking in these traits)

I did like the concept of how Iwen tried to split up the roles which should have helped lessen his workload but also help develop other Managers.

Personally I was happy for the Wombat Federation to encompass a U21 and National team threads, but I can live with another Federation being set up specifically for that purpose.

Excellent gesture by Mickyster to offer to take a couple of days off to scout the team.

Ive known Ezlife for probably the longest of all 3 of you candidates and have always got on well with him and considered him a friend, but am probably leaning towards casting my vote for either Matty and Mickyster.










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That is a great set up. My thing would be to link people to players who were 18 in a particular season and they follow them along the line to to speak. So you might get this seasons 18 year old SFs and you work with those managers for as long as they are building till NT age or they stop training. Once your guys get to 22 or 23 you stay with them but start again with a new 18 year old group.

Other roles are can also add to the team. Having a PR guy and scouting guy etc will allow those who wish to help out. If no one is willing to do a role the manager has to cover it. But any help given will make the process easier and more effective.

From: Mr J

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That is a great set up. My thing would be to link people to players who were 18 in a particular season and they follow them along the line to to speak. So you might get this seasons 18 year old SFs and you work with those managers for as long as they are building till NT age or they stop training. Once your guys get to 22 or 23 you stay with them but start again with a new 18 year old group.


I like this idea. We may struggle to have Mentors stay with Mentorees this long but a great idea non the less.


Other roles are can also add to the team. Having a PR guy and scouting guy etc will allow those who wish to help out. If no one is willing to do a role the manager has to cover it. But any help given will make the process easier and more effective.


Agreed. And this is what I wanted to make clear: that while I have a vision that could eventually occur (ie large, one-stop-shop for all NT stuff with a range of staff and designated roles) ultimately, the Coach has to do all the hard work unless others come on board to assist and share in the load.

@Sid...a great example of what is capable. I wanted that but I now think perhaps we're are not ready for something that comprehensive. Instead, we should---as I keep saying/ranting lol---start small and expand.

@Kilrtom...I'll take your 'offer' (#cough#blackmail#cough) under advisement...lol

From: Mr J

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I believe a great leader needs three qualities:

1. Passion
2. Determination
3. Vision

Some would argue that you would need the ability to understand skills, tactics, etc etc, but really, that kind of stuff can be discussed as part of a committee of head coach/assistant coaches/australian community. That's the whole idea of having a forum/federation.

Mr Green, I believe you have all the above qualities. You have the vision to make big changes to how the U21 is run, heck, even the aussie BB community in general. And I believe you have the passion and determination to see it through. So you'll be getting my vote. Best of luck.

(even though you backed Sid to win in our S23 Finals match!!! jk :)



I just read your earlier post and...thanks, mate. I appreciate your comments...

...and yeah, did think Sid had planned it better but you were faultless in your victory...and now the XBB boys are back in the ABBL! Nice job. :-)

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