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254079.129 in reply to 254079.128
Date: 1/12/2014 8:48:44 PM
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I completely understand having it as a supporter feature. But I'm curious: just how bad is BB's financial situation? (Am I allowed to ask that?)

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254079.130 in reply to 254079.1
Date: 1/12/2014 8:48:45 PM
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You claim these “Possible pros:”
(1) small nation managers might welcome the influx of new teams, boosting competition levels
(2) might help reduce cheating
(3) doubles the fun for active managers
(4) increases BB income, increasing the advertisement and development budget

Let’s examine those points:
(1) Maybe in a few cases this will be true. But many managers choosing and paying for second teams in a country where there are mostly bots and a sorry, limited player pool? Well, that would be completely pointless. And if it does happen in a few small countries that get a significant proportion of foreign managers, they will also LOSE local managers who don’t want to play in a mixed league. Paying managers shouldering aside free-play managers contradicts your current principles. And new local managers trying to learn the game will have no competitive chance against experienced managers from competitive larger nations. Mixed-country rosters already almost destroy the geographical integrity of the game; this proposal would finish it off, making most leagues nothing but a mixed international league. Guys, this is an argument you CANNOT win.

(2) Respectfully, it would not only double the opportunity to cheat, but more likely increase the opportunity exponentially. I have played the game less than one full season and already see cheating. I even reported some, and nothing happened. Much more cheating is discussed in the boards that I don’t even understand. Although it might be undiplomatic for me to say it so directly, if you cleaned up the cheating you would probably gain more revenue than second teams would ever generate.

At least a few NT’s and drafts will be compromised if you get any significant number of duplicate teams.

BB tries to discourage farming. A proposal that increases farming makes no sense at all.

(3) Not so; it doesn’t even double the number of active teams, since a lot of supporters would not take a second team. Managers either take the game seriously or they don’t. Serious managers get fun from competition, which a second team doesn’t help. Managers that aren’t serious aren’t a likely source of revenue for you. “Double the fun for active managers” is just blowing smoke.

(4) I sympathize with your search for more revenue. This is a mature, generally bug free game that simulates basketball very well. That is a quality product. The way to get more revenue is to improve the remaining game engine needs, really crack down on cheating, and improve the organization of the (currently mixed up) boards. A proposal that compromises the quality of the product is no answer.

I am a supporter and expect to continue as one. I vote a strong NO for many, many reasons.

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254079.131 in reply to 254079.128
Date: 1/12/2014 8:49:55 PM
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I dont think it needs to be a supporter feature, making everyone(supporter or not) pay a fee for a second team.

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254079.132 in reply to 254079.131
Date: 1/12/2014 9:02:49 PM
Florida Champs
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Overall Posts Rated:
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Second Team:
Great Lakes Spartans
I already said something like that earlier- A one time payment of lets say $15 would be fine in my opinion.

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254079.133 in reply to 254079.129
Date: 1/12/2014 9:03:27 PM
Florida Champs
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Overall Posts Rated:
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Second Team:
Great Lakes Spartans
I completely understand having it as a supporter feature. But I'm curious: just how bad is BB's financial situation? (Am I allowed to ask that?)

I dont know. lol

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254079.134 in reply to 254079.133
Date: 1/12/2014 9:04:27 PM
Florida Champs
IV.2
Overall Posts Rated:
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Second Team:
Great Lakes Spartans
I did make a suggestion in the suggestion folders that kind of acts like a 2nd team but isnt- and doesnt require supporter.

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254079.135 in reply to 254079.133
Date: 1/12/2014 9:07:13 PM
Overall Posts Rated:
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Sorry, maybe I should have directed that at Perpete or Marin

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254079.137 in reply to 254079.135
Date: 1/12/2014 9:10:29 PM
Florida Champs
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Overall Posts Rated:
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Second Team:
Great Lakes Spartans
Not a problem

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254079.138 in reply to 254079.134
Date: 1/12/2014 9:13:41 PM
Headless Thompson Gunners
Naismith
Overall Posts Rated:
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Second Team:
Canada Purple Haze BC
Some of the responses on the no side blow me away.
Can't figure out why so many bad people populate this game.
So many schemers, all looking to ruin it for others.
Bidding up players from the opposition.
Trading farms so their country can win or the other countries can lose U21 or NT.
Coming in to take away the fun of existing players.
On and on go the conspiracy theories.
Good grief.
There were cheaters before, there will be cheaters in the future.
Many keep a vigilant eye and a majority of them are caught.
If I must live with the occasional cheater that we can't catch it beats the hell out of no game.
But such ne'er do well individuals, wonder why you all want to hang around and play this game with them anyway.

Last edited by Headless T Gunner at 1/12/2014 9:14:04 PM

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254079.139 in reply to 254079.138
Date: 1/12/2014 9:29:57 PM
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"Bidding up players from the opposition." -- I only brought this up as something to consider if the proposal passes. It is not something I would look to do, or particularly worry about. Considering all the other restrictions, I was trying to help by bringing up other possible pitfalls.

Anyway, I still prefer one team per person, but don't think adding secondary teams will doom the game or anything. If the proposal does pass, I would probably get a second team. And I'm a supporter and plan to continue to support the game for as long as I play, so my no vote is done with the utmost integrity and best interests of the game in mind. Saying that, I've only played the game for a couple of seasons, and maybe after playing for 10+ seasons, I would be more welcome to the second team idea.

Last edited by Big Chief Triangle at 1/12/2014 9:32:36 PM

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