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OK the grouping of middle east is as follow :

Lebonan : 4 users
Iran : 56 users
Saudi Arabia : 8 users
U.A.E : 10 users
Pakistan : 0 user
India : 17 users

That brings it up to 95. So it would be DI, DII, and 15 teams spread in the 16 DIII divisions ? Who would be put in DI ? Based on world rank ? I don't see what's that going to achieve. It's like a circle you know ! 95 users combined, many of which will leave if the merge takes place, and we're back to around 60 users maybe (the number that Iran has almost), and back to square one.

The communication problems would be catastrophic. We speak Farsi, I don't know what language India speaks, U.A.E and Saudi Arabia speak Arabic which I don't speak a word of, I have no idea of the language of Lebanon, and Pakistan speaks some kind of Farsi I think which is mostly different from Iran's Farsi. As you can see, many Iranians can't speak English well either. So it would be pretty much like Utopia forums

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Now I can't even begin to tell you about the cultural differences. Frankly, most Saudis and Arabs don't like Persians and Iranians, and it goes the same way around. Many Iranians don't like Saudis and Arabs. It's not Racism or anything, this goes back to many different issues that has happened in real life, and are still happening now. I know you're gonna say that this is an online game, but you have to be a part of one of these countries to understand what I'm talking about.

Also, there are 6 countries in this Middle East grouping, While five of them combine for 39, Iran stands at 56 and really it feels like they are intruding in our leagues if this were supposed to take place.

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I believe that Iran should not be included in this discussion.

I want to keep my flag , my league , my place and so on ...

are you sure Iranian DI has the same lvl with Spanish DIV ? :D your speech is a silly joke :))

I understand those real world issues - Israel is a part of Europe when it comes to football... Pretty silly considering the regional disconnection, but if some people want to hate each other, who am I to judge... It would be nice if in BB those idiotic stereotypes would not be applied...

I understand what you mean, but it is what it is. You know ? Nothing can't be done about it

To be honest, if those real world issues are a problem in this game we are probably better off without those users/countries.

I would not want to share my hobby with people holding an eternal grudge against each other.

Our real level ? You sure about that ?

I'm pretty sure I can kick you team's ass (which is doing quite well in Spain DII) with my team, which is on the verge of being relegated from DI in Iran.

So please, don't go there and don't make this personal

Like I said, I don't expect you guys to understand because you are not part of our country, or part of these issues. But I respect your opinion, as everyone's entitled to theirs'

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Like I said, I don't expect you guys to understand because you are not part of our country, or part of these issues. But I respect your opinion, as everyone's entitled to theirs'

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I think its not too hard to understand- religion sucks and in a few hundred years everything will look different. Catholics and Protestants get along pretty well now. But religion and politics have no place in an online game.

I share ur hopes und don´t like nationalism neither. But the sad fact is, that we still live in a world where it exists, and even strengthened again. So u can either be idealistic, or u can thinking about handle the mess. Because leagues created against antipathy between the included nations don´t only effect talk climate in forums, but could also distort the sporting competition (e.g. last Game day, nation 1 and nation 2 don´t like each other, and player of nation 2 plays against another user of his country and has the possibility to gurantee him the relegation while putting a player of nation 1 into decline (not sure if I use the right words here)).

New example: There is a suggestion merging Austria with Germany. History makes this difficult, so maybe merge with Switzerland would be better. If the Austrians decide to take it with Germany (I hope they won´t), it would be self-evident that there has to be a new, unloaded name for the whole thing, and of course not "Great-Germany". It may be "only history", but it´s a great part of the identity of many Germans, and "fun in a internet game" doesn´t coexist well with "unpleasent associations of the past". (I know the example is very obvious, but i can only judge for my own feelings. Nevertheless it could show that "history" is not a abstract thing one can forget because "it´s the internet", but should be taken into consideration).

So all i wanted to say: Ask the players in affected countrys directly, what they want. As u´ve seen, Indians would vote for South-East Asia, maybe there would also be solutions with other complicated issues. For sure it´s a bunch of work, but only the effected nations themself can state clearly all problems and wishes not considered by foreigners, because they know their history best.