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U don't necessary have to win the bid, after all he pay the price(TAX)

They pay current tax on the player + that player acts like a new player on your team -> thus if you try to sell him again, he will be taxed a lot more.

Last edited by Kukoc at 7/23/2010 6:11:18 AM

Surely the point is that this is simply cheating, or exploiting another manager who wants the type of player up foe sale. It should be monitored and people banned who take this action.

Yes you can remove yourself from the bidding process, but that isnt the point here, the point is a manager taking advantage and bidding on his own player.

If you would buy such a player for say 500k, why should the owner of the player be allowed to push it further and you end up paying more, say 700k, you could stop, but you may want him. You have still been corrupted and exploited fr another 200k.

In England, someone who did the same on Ebay got sent to prison, now I know this is just a game, but its hardly in the spirit of the game and should be allowed.

Ok Everyone! This bidding on your own player topic dosen't need to be addressed becuase the guy is losing money! You know when you see that you get only 98 percent of the sale??? That means he is losing profit and money that he didn't have to use in the first place.

its not cheating , n there is all ready punishments in buying back your own player.
people change there minds .

So what you are saying is that it is acceptable practice for a team to bid on his own player to encourage other managers to raise their bids?

I accept what you are saying about choice, but if you was going to get X player for X Amount, then it cannot be right that you had to make the choice of spending Y on that player to get him through insider bidding, because u wanted him for your team.

What you are encouraging in not ethical and is cheating, providing encouragement to spend more money than you should need to for a player because if we all want to , we can just big on top and exploit the nature of the transfer market.

Every player has a true market value, which varies on many different considerations at different times of a season, one of those variables should not be the owner of that player pushing the price up, actively, to leave you wish no choice but to offer more for that player than you should have in a fair situation.

As for people who may have changed their mind, well, i think thats just tough, we all know once we place a player on the market, that is it, people should be sure of their choices when placing players on the transfer market.

I do take on board what you say about choices to stop bidding, and I get that as an argument in the opposite of what I am saying, however, it does not explain or make it ok. The simple fact is that you would not have paid the Y amount for that player, weather you decided to spend that money or not, it is a false economy and in my view a form of cheating and exploiting the nature of the market by hiking prices

Your comment about spirit of the game is abit hard to understand, you place a player on the market for the price you want, either lower to encourage many bids, or at the price you want for him, I do not believe the Transfer market is set up as you say for a player parting with their player, unless they are happy, this happens all the time and is the risk we take, all of us when making that choice.

The market value is whatever someone's willing to pay for the player. Bidders can back down whenever they feel the asking price is beyond their evaluation of the player. In that sense, the player's owner is just another bidder. I have had one or two cases where the owner kept bidding at the last minute to push up the price. After the price got out of the range I found fair for the player, I left the auction and searched for an alternative.

I agree that it's not the most ethical thing to do, but the rules are there and this is not cheating. Bidders should be disgusted by this and stop bidding, thus resulting in the owner losing money at the time (taxes) and in the future (would get smaller % of future transfer). But I think there are much more outrageous cheating schemes out there. I have been reporting a few cases lately of teams creating a bunch of new teams to buy their crappy players for 100x what they're worth.

Just an example, to sum it up. Suppose you have a player you want to sell and you think he's worth 800k. You place him in the market for 1k to get as many suitors as possible. If, let's say one hour before the end of the auction, the bid is at 300k only, I don't see any wrongdoing with the owner placing a 600k bid. If the suitors still think it's a fair value, they'll bid again. If they don't, they won't and the owner won't lose money by selling a player for a smaller sum than the one he finds fair.

I understand the point you make.

I get this from the choices of the buyer and all the implication of this. I am looking at it from the other side, the seller, and the fact that the game allows for a seller to attempt to invoke this process in the first place. They should not be allowed to do this in my view.

One thing I would add is that you dont always realise that someone is doing this, esp when bid are coming in thick and fast in the final few minutes of a transfer, which make it difficult to stop bidding as you have worked out what is happening with the owner of that player.

But yes, buyers have choices, or course. even though they would have paid more than the market has aksed of them, I do not count insider bidding as part of the normal market, more a false economy.

Have you ever thought about asking the wider public of BB how they feel about this , and use that survey as a guide as to what should be done about this?

I think this would be better than just say , this will not be monitored and does not need addressing, surely this is an opinion based decision and that should provide the answer?