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154923.13 in reply to 154923.10
Date: 8/23/2010 12:28:28 PM
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He is 6'8" which isn't ideal for training pure centres. It is a great height for training secondary skills on a big man, but his outside skills are very low to start off with. He has Hall-Of-Fame potential so could be sold for a lot of money on the market. I would consider selling him at the beginning of next season and find a trainee that is easier to develop.

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154923.15 in reply to 154923.9
Date: 8/23/2010 4:55:35 PM
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Second way: Doing what I said and training the guard skills.
Pros: He will be able to play at center or power forward. He will play much better because of great secondary skills. You would be able to sell him for 3 times the amount compared to if you just trained the inside skills. His salary will stay low so you get a great player with a cheap salary.
Cons: None.


There is a huge con: His atrocious OD makes him a huge liability in man to man defense in the long run and won't be useful after a few promotions. Any advantage he has with higher outside skills will be mitigated by the advantage his opponents will have (prolific JS vs. Average OD is more or less the same as respectable JS vs. his atrocious OD).

I think there's a third option: train him to be a well rounded C with good guard skills.

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154923.16 in reply to 154923.15
Date: 8/24/2010 12:05:00 AM
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I said there was no con in training guard skills. Not that he will have no weaknesses :P
His OD is going to be bad no matter what happens, unless someone is crazy enough to train it up but I don't recommend it.
And I'm not saying to keep him forever, I'm saying that if he trains him like I said and then sells him in about 1 season he could get about 2 million for him.

And if he follows the training I said it will result in a well rounded C with good guard skills anyway. But with the jump shot he would be able to play him at power forward in lower divisions, and will be able to sell him before he gets to higher divisions anyway.

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154923.17 in reply to 154923.11
Date: 8/24/2010 3:39:59 AM
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This would be a fantastic player. He would be worth lots of money on the transfer list, and his salary will be low so you get a lot more out of him.

All rounded players dont seem to fetch as much on the TL as players with standout skills (I personally dont know why, but it is what it is). He would make much more selling this player if he trains in inside skills only...

For an example, my 2 trainees are 2 completely different players, but for now are being trained in the same way.

Age: 18
Height: 6'11" / 211 cm
Potential: perennial allstar

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: respectable
Driving: mediocre Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: inept Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: pitiful ↑ Free Throw: proficient

Got this player cheap because his height is no good to train his guard skills, but as they stand, they will be very easy to make a very well rounded PF when his inside skills catch up... His transfer price estimate drops weekly, even though he has popped almost every week.

Age: 19
Height: 6'7" / 201 cm
Potential: superstar

Jump Shot: average Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: awful Handling: average
Driving: strong Passing: average
Inside Shot: strong Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: strong Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: strong ↑ Free Throw: average

This player was a draft pick I ended up with that I was going to train for a season and sell, but have now decided to try and turn into an inside based SF.

What do you think the estimate transfer price would be for both these players?


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154923.18 in reply to 154923.17
Date: 8/24/2010 4:10:10 AM
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I disagree, I think young well rounded players will fetch more.
I see a lot of 19 year olds on the market now with good inside skills and no secondary skills and they sell for less than 1 million. This was my 19 year old that I sold a few weeks ago:

Height: 6'10"
Potential: Perennial Allstar
Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: pitiful
Outside Def.: atrocious Handling: proficient
Driving: average Passing: inept
Inside Shot: proficient Inside Def.: strong
Rebounding: proficient Shot Blocking: strong
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: pitiful

He sold for 1.75 million dollars, and is probably worth more than that.


As for your players, I think your 18 year old is worth about 200k.
And your 19 year old is worth about 500k.

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154923.19 in reply to 154923.18
Date: 8/24/2010 4:39:51 AM
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This was my 19 year old that I sold a few weeks ago:


That is not a well rounded player... That is a PF (and his JS only just qualifies him for that) with exceptional handling. That player would serve no purpose in playing any position other than C/PF...

And the 18 yo is 200k-1 mill (49 recent transfers) and the 19 yo is 200k-300k (7 recent transfers). The 18 year old was 500k-2.5 mill 3-4 weeks ago and has had 3 pops on his inside skills since.

That is not what I think. That is what the 56 teams that bought similar players think. If the BB community as a whole thought they were worth more, people would pay more. The highest bid always wins and someone will always (stupidly) bid more for a player based on potential and the players highest 2 or 3 skills. I believe it is wrong that it happens this way, but like I said, it is what it is...

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154923.20 in reply to 154923.19
Date: 8/24/2010 4:44:28 AM
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That just proves that the transfer price estimate is completely wrong. I would bet a large amount of money that the 19 year old will sell for more than the 18 year old. The 19 year old has better potential and has much better skills.

As for my player, he was a power forward/center with good secondaries, and I am saying that they sell for more than someone with prominent inside skills and atrocious secondaries. I don't think you would be able to find many 19 year olds with better skills than that guy.

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154923.21 in reply to 154923.20
Date: 8/24/2010 4:48:19 AM
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Does the US needs a center who can pull off jumpshots?

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154923.22 in reply to 154923.21
Date: 8/24/2010 4:56:38 AM
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Ask your National Team and U21 National Team coach.

I think Jumpshot can be useful for a Center but I am sure there are others that don't like having it.

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154923.23 in reply to 154923.20
Date: 8/24/2010 5:17:56 AM
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That just proves that the transfer price estimate is completely wrong. I would bet a large amount of money that the 19 year old will sell for more than the 18 year old. The 19 year old has better potential and has much better skills.

How does that prove the transfer price estimate is completely wrong? The TPE is what the current transfers of players with similar skills are. That cannot be wrong! Just because it doesn't tie in with what you believe does not discredit its worth... Only yours.

As for the 18 year old not being worth more... He is worth much more because in exactly 1 seasons time he will have much higher skills than the other does at the moment. And as for potential, I dont intend on either of these players having salaries over 100k so what is the point in having higher potential? I bought the 18 year old because he will cap exactly when I want him to and if I saved money because he has lower potential, well I guess that is a great move by me... Although I doubt it as I know of a player with star potential that sold for 4.9 mill and he wasnt well rounded.

As for my player, he was a power forward/center with good secondaries, and I am saying that they sell for more than someone with prominent inside skills and atrocious secondaries. I don't think you would be able to find many 19 year olds with better skills than that guy.


1) He is a good C/PF with good handling... He doesn't get many turnovers... That is a secondary... Not plural...
2) If you spend a whole season training secondaries on a young prospect, his value will drop weekly as the vast majority (who in a lot of cases would be wrong) would pay much more for a player who is a whole season ahead in his primaries.
3) The very player that this thread is about will be a much better 19 yo C/PF than that guy!

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