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166078.13 in reply to 166078.12
Date: 12/14/2010 12:33:15 AM
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This is why I love you kozzy.

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166078.14 in reply to 166078.13
Date: 12/14/2010 4:37:28 AM
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You love him why? He was actually just being a jerk and rude for no reason. The guy simply pointed out that it's not standard and that there are other procedures. Yet because he was an American he was pegged for being self-centered. He was just using his knowledge of his countries sports as measuring stick. If he had been from any other country nobody would have cared. But forget that.

Back to his overall point, guess what?! He's right. The FIBA World Championships aren't decided by goals for. The first tie breaker is head to head. What about the Olympics? Again Head to head. Are these games all neutral sites? No because some country has to host these events. So the argument that 1 team had home court doesn't hold water because even in real life, someone can have a home court advantage for a tie breaker.

I'm not saying that head to head is a better tie breaking method. I'm just saying that the international basketball competitions use head to head as the tie breaker, and not points for.

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Date: 12/14/2010 5:21:24 AM
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He only pointed out sports in the US so he is being bias and self cenetred. Looks like he wants the world to follow the US which is not happening. We roll how we want.
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Date: 12/14/2010 5:24:34 AM
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The phrase "At least for the US, I dont know what sports they play in bulgaria...", to me, is definitely belittling the fact that Kozzy is from Bulgaria. That's being rude in the first place. I don't blame Kozzy for firing back. And using his knowledge of his own country's sports is kind of pointless, since they're not basketball. I'm not making any comment on the points for tiebreaker thing, because I know that in all of my country's major sports, points for are actually vital - but they're not basketball, so there's no point arguing about it.


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166078.18 in reply to 166078.17
Date: 12/14/2010 11:26:25 AM
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so i am 18-0 now and other guy 17-1 if i lose last game to him i keep at 1st place rigt? cus my points+- difference is better? or ill be 2nd cus i only won first game by7 points and prolly gona lose next by more

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Date: 12/14/2010 3:10:02 PM
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Ties in the standings are broken first by number of forfeits, followed by point differential, then points scored.

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166078.20 in reply to 166078.19
Date: 12/14/2010 7:13:11 PM
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Koz:
For starters, it may be worth checking how the rest of the world is doing stuff, because being self-centered doesn't really help your argument.

Fanny:
He only pointed out sports in the US so he is being bias and self cenetred.Looks like he wants the world to follow the US which is not happening. We roll how we want.

So first off, I wasnt self-centered at all. I said "At least for the US, I dont know what sports they play in bulgaria" Whats wrong with that? I admitted that my examples were from US, and that I dont know what sports they play in Bulgaria. I have nothing against Bulgaria, and nothing against foreigners-if it helps, I am one too. And dont worry, you can roll however you want. Just know that the NBL (Australian) uses H2H as tiebreakers too.
I agree that being self-centered doesnt help my argument, but my argument certainly helps my argument. Let me remind you what Koz said: "The rule is standard and is typically applied as a second tiebreaker in most sports." I said this was not true.
The US is the country with most popular sports. If you look at the three most popular sports in the US, or the Olympics or other world competitions, Koz's statement is false. Remember,he said "most." I didnt say the rest of the world doesnt follow this rule, but I do doubt it.
Logically, BB is basketball, and basketball is a sport invented in Canada & popularized in the US, and it remains the most competitive and popular in the US than anywhere else. This should only add more weight to my argument.

Koz:
In the closest comparison all head-to-head series are at least two games, and in all cases teams have the same number of home games. This is obviously not the case in Buzzerbeater, therefore the head-to-head tiebreaker is simply not applicable.

Head-to-head means the 2 tied teams' records against each other. Remember, this thread is about tiebreakers for getting into the playoffs. In a given conference, the teams play each team in their own conference twice: once at home, once away = 1 & 1 = same number of home games. The team with the better record in those 2 games would advance.

Chikent: Thank you

Rabid Camel:
The phrase "At least for the US, I dont know what sports they play in bulgaria...", to me, is definitely belittling the fact that Kozzy is from Bulgaria. That's being rude in the first place. I don't blame Kozzy for firing back. And using his knowledge of his own country's sports is kind of pointless, since they're not basketball.

Again, I wasnt being rude. But if you read through the forum regularly, and you see Koz's posts...
And what do you mean the knowledge of my country's sports is useless, since theyre not basketball? One of my examples was NBA, which is basketball.

They are on neutral sites for all but 1 team in the competition. There is a huge difference between this and BB games, where each league game is hosted by one of the teams.
So despite the fact that head-to-head is used as a tie-breaker in some competitions, it's simply not going to happen in BB, because it's not suitable for the situation. That's it.
[...] I live in Boston anyhow.

Once again H2H means the winning percentage or records of the 2 tied teams against each other. If you are instead referring to a 1-game playoff for a tiebreaker, BB could easily set up a tiebreaker game in a neutral arena-just take away the home court advantage and eliminate the profits (or split). Being a simulated game, this is even easier than finding a neutral arena in real life.
Youre in Boston? Me too. And again, Im a foreigner too. So dont think Im being self-centered or racist. Just stating a simple fact, and then suggesting a more fair rule for tiebreakers. Just think about it, 2 teams that play (just about) equally well. Award the better offensive team instead of the better defensive team? Not fair.
Use H2H or have a 1-game tiebreaker? May the best team win.

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166078.22 in reply to 166078.20
Date: 12/14/2010 9:19:01 PM
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Don't know what they play in Bulgaria? Do some research.

nothing against foreigners

Are you implying this forum is actually US soil?

No one here follows the NBL so your argument is irrelevant.

The US is the country with most popular sports.

Bias.

This whole thread is bias towards North Americans.

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166078.23 in reply to 166078.22
Date: 12/14/2010 9:49:42 PM
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Don't know what they play in Bulgaria? Do some research.

nothing against foreigners

Are you implying this forum is actually US soil?

No one here follows the NBL so your argument is irrelevant.

The US is the country with most popular sports.

Bias.

This whole thread is bias towards North Americans.


Sorry, I have better things to do than research Bulgarian sports, or for that matter, any other country's sports.
By saying "nothing against foreigners" how am I implying that this forum is US soil? Where's the logical connection in that?

The NBL was not part of my argument until you forced it in. You are Australian, and you complained I was only considering US basketball. Well, the NBL is Australian basketball, and it became part of the argument once you complained. Otherwise, I wouldnt have mentioned it. And my argument is definitely not based on the NBL, so that would not make my argument irrelevant.
Bias towards North Americans? As I said before, Im a foreigner too...
Buy anyway, I use US examples --> you complain bias. I use olympic/worldwide examples --> you ignore them. I use Australian examples --> you say nobody cares about Australian basketball.--> And you tell me to research Bulgarian sports. Do you really think Bulgarian sports are that much more popular than Australian sports?

I'm sorry that US is the most popular for sports. There is nothing I can do about that - that's just the way it is - people in the US like sports. That being said, many examples are from the US, and this whole argument was based on the "most" or majority. There is nothing I can do to change the majority. Researching Bulgarian sports would not be significant here. II tried Australian - you didnt appreciate it.
So what examples would you use? (Have you done any research yourself?)

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