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182720.13 in reply to 182720.12
Date: 4/25/2011 1:13:31 PM
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I think that the problem is not in the market. The anomaly is in the draft. There is no other aspect of the game in which the random may have so an impact on a team's history. In a game in which the main managers' activity is to mantain a good economy, the arrival of extra, substantially randomly assigned, 2-3m $, brakes the equilibrium in a not right manner. Think this should be somehow corrected.

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182720.14 in reply to 182720.9
Date: 4/25/2011 1:55:12 PM
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Why doesn't it make sense if many managers are willing to pay some millions to buy a great prospect? If there is a bidwar for the best 18yo after draft and people are willing to pay 3+ millions to get a player with MVP+ Potential and high starting skills than thats fine, but I doubt that there are many who would pay anything to get an all atrocious player ;)

Because they will find the players full trained for 5-6-7 seasons with the same price,and in these 6 seasons they save,they can train other players
Isn't that more logical?

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182720.15 in reply to 182720.14
Date: 4/25/2011 3:02:26 PM
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Is it against the rules to play illogically? If someone wants to bust out for a rookie, that's part of the game. If it's a farm team , that's part of the game. If it's the luck of the draft, that's part of the game. As this game gets older there will be many niches that will make some people upset but others happy to be able to fill. A draft is a random thing. Ask the guys who drafted Sam Bowie. Maybe next year you will get the golden egg. Maybe not.

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182720.16 in reply to 182720.15
Date: 4/25/2011 3:44:03 PM
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We have to focus the attention to the seller not to the buyer. We are talking about a lot of money given for free, it can happens also to me of course but that's not fair, I need to train for 6 seasons if I want to earn the same money. Everything here is a part of the game but it should be good to improve this game and this is for sure a bad aspect of the game.

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182720.17 in reply to 182720.15
Date: 4/25/2011 4:39:32 PM
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As Ned pointed out,the consequences of some kind of actions are not limited to the user who spend the money,but also to the seller and the users that compete with him in the championship.I don't want to say someone how he has to play the game,because if you want to waste money,become a farm,or use whatever style of play that respect the rules of the game,you are acting in a legit way.
But an illogical way of playing by some user,should not have effects on the game of the other users.TPA exists to equilibrate these kind of situation,it not means necessarily that someone break the rules,but that there is a situation that alters in a signifcant and not justified way the game.And a situation where the rookies are paid as the best player of the game,surely alters in a signifcant way the game


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182720.18 in reply to 182720.17
Date: 4/25/2011 4:47:18 PM
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I see those payments going out as the exact same thing as huge contracts on rookies in the NBA or any other sport. Kobe getting a 3.5 million 3 year contract. Shaq with a 41 mil 7 year contract. The big star rookies will get paid huge amounts in any sport. I don't honestly see why it would be any different here.

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182720.20 in reply to 182720.18
Date: 4/26/2011 7:02:00 AM
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I see those payments going out as the exact same thing as huge contracts on rookies in the NBA or any other sport. Kobe getting a 3.5 million 3 year contract. Shaq with a 41 mil 7 year contract. The big star rookies will get paid huge amounts in any sport. I don't honestly see why it would be any different here.


I don't see any rookie in NBA earns like the old players,because rookie contract don't allow this

Best Rookies:John Wall $5,144,280 Blake Griffin $5,357,280

Stars with a long career:Dirk Nowitzki $17,278,618 Kobe Bryant $24,806,250


And in real life Wall and Griffin's Skills are much much closer to Dirk and Kobe' skills than a 18years old rookie in BB compared to the top players in BB

So I see enormous differences

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182720.21 in reply to 182720.20
Date: 4/26/2011 11:24:38 AM
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No real difference there actually. I've seen several older players go for 3-4M as well, it's not too uncommon. True, no players go for 20M in Buzzerbeater, but that's more a function of the way the market works than lack of realism.

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182720.22 in reply to 182720.21
Date: 4/26/2011 11:33:20 AM
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You don't understand that the problem is not in the "absolute price" but in the "relative price"
3 M for a 18yold rookie when a full trained top player is paid 10M means a thing,a rookie paid 3M when the same previous top player is paid 4M mean all another thing
The point is always the same:how much a player cost considering all the factors(age,height,potential,ecc...) compared to the overall market
The scale of the market is out of mind actually,because it's not that a top rookie worth as a medium level player,actually happens that a top rookie worth as a top player,that doesn't have seanse because in the better situation at the end the two players will have the same skills,but you could not create value with training during that time you spend to make your rookie a top player

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182720.23 in reply to 182720.22
Date: 4/26/2011 11:40:26 AM
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Alright, to put it another way, people *in this game* will pay for rookies what they will be worth once they're trained since they can see the maximum potential in a player. If in the NBA team owners could see that Kobe was going to be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame and able to easily lead his team to championships after a few seasons of training would he have been signed for more? I'd argue that any team that possibly could have would have taken the loss during training years and signed the man for 10s of millions a year to lock that kind of talent on their team. Since in BB you *can* see that potential, players go for what they will be worth.

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