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245014.13 in reply to 245014.10
Date: 6/30/2013 10:04:47 AM
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I must have really lucked out to end up in my D5 league because I've got like a 38k salary and have far and away the best team due to computer players being awful, that's why I'm spending so much on my arena now because I have the luxury of not really having to worry too much about competing when the competition is so low.

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245014.14 in reply to 245014.12
Date: 6/30/2013 11:07:41 AM
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When choosing between 600 Lux or 15 bleach...the return is the same. Except when you first buy the seats. If you are selling out both than adding more bleach is better. However, its a temporary gain. Overall the more weeks go by, the better adding the lux is because of predictability of sales.

So I always propose to add court and luxury to the max first than work your way up. Courtside are easiest to add because the price is higher and you get to max seating of 500 quicker (Div 4). Luxury takes longer before you reach max...because you reach minimum prices quicker (Div 2).

Personally I've already maxed my lux/court for Div 4. I have already maxed my bleachers at 12,000 (which I don't plan on adding to). So until I get into the playoffs I don't need more Lux. The only thing I need at this point is lower tier.

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245014.15 in reply to 245014.14
Date: 6/30/2013 11:59:09 AM
Woodbridge Wreckers
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If you spend 200k on bleachers which you're selling at $15, you get 15k more income each home game. That's just 7,5k if you spend that same 200k on Luxury boxes that you're selling at $600. If you continue investing in Luxury/Courtside with such little gain, you're missing out on a lot of money. You might not get 15k each game, but maybe somewhere between 10k and 15k for those extra seats, but it's still more than the sure 7,5k with predictable sales of your luxury boxes.

I agree that the higher predictability is worth something over the bleachers, but there's a tipping point where that predictability isn't worth the lower income that you generate. I don't know where that is exactly, but it's certainly before the point that you get $600 for luxury and $15 for bleachers if you ask me.

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245014.16 in reply to 245014.15
Date: 6/30/2013 9:04:56 PM
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What should be noted here is that a $15 bleacher seat in Div 5 would result in sub 3000 seats sold.

But lets discuss how this would work out.

Div 4 only:
Going from 13 boxes to 25 boxes in Div 4 (price from 600 to 400 avg) would result in $2000 per game.
Going from 3000 bleach to 3960 in Div 4 (price from 14.49 to 11.97 avg) would result in $4000 per game.

So your example is accurate. However, the gain is smaller than you think it is because the price would ultimately fall.

Also since Div 5 teams start with bleachers at a reasonable level, they are better off adding court/box. Even if they overbuild because the pricing is simple to manage.

Basically when the price gets to 80% of normal price it is better to build the lower sections without a doubt.

Note the pricing is based on USA offsite. Which normally is lower because of all the sucky teams that don't have a clue.

Last edited by lawrenman at 6/30/2013 9:05:56 PM

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245014.17 in reply to 245014.16
Date: 7/1/2013 3:29:32 AM
Woodbridge Wreckers
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I don't know where you get those numbers from, since I thought everyone started out with 4500 bleachers (is that different for USA DIV 5?), but still those are big changes % wise. In that case, it might be better to do smaller increases or spread increases (like 100k on each of your best selling seats).

That 80% that you name is what I was looking for. I do wonder how you determined that at that point it's best to switch, or is it just a rough estimation?

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245014.18 in reply to 245014.17
Date: 7/1/2013 9:43:53 AM
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I like to build one set of seats at a time to match up with the new pricing.

I would say that the best time to build bleachers is during or right before promotion bonus because of the price stability at a high level. So I plan to go from 12,000 to 13,500 bleachers. Next I will increase my box seats from 28 to 40 (to continue min pricing). After that I will build my lowers until I get to minimum pricing...somewhere around 4,000 seats or 1,800 more.

Total cost around 1.8 million. Since I already have a very large stadium, I should be able to rake in quite of bit of cash in Div III while I ready myself to promote in 2-3 seasons.

I may add an additional 1,200-1,500 bleachers...I haven't decided yet. The higher pricing at lower levels is really inviting and is more profitable until you get to Div 1. Overall though I will probably just stick with the 13,500 max plan with 6,000 lower tier later.

Last edited by lawrenman at 7/1/2013 10:13:40 AM

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245014.19 in reply to 245014.1
Date: 7/1/2013 3:43:43 PM
Buffalo Braves
II.3
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So, can any1 show an ideal arena size for D1 team?
I'm building my own so I can promote without being forced to battle against relegation.

Jogue Limpo.
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245014.21 in reply to 245014.20
Date: 7/3/2013 8:10:55 PM
Buffalo Braves
II.3
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Idaho State
Don't you think 7.5k lower tiers would be too much?

I've seen only a few teams with so many lower tiers.

Jogue Limpo.
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245014.22 in reply to 245014.21
Date: 7/3/2013 8:30:06 PM
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Myself I think this looks best:
13500
6000
500
50

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/25054/arena.aspx

That is the arena that comes to mind. He won the Canada Title last season. A bit more lower a bit less bleacher.

From: Jason

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245014.23 in reply to 245014.8
Date: 7/3/2013 8:36:45 PM
Arizona Desert Storm
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That's one component of the evaluation, to be sure, but the thing I think is underappreciated is the relative cost of expansion as compared to your operating margin as you move up or down the levels. When in IV or V, it's much easier to both field a successful team and still have money left over for investing in infrastructure such as arena or scouting. The higher up you go, the harder it is to have much extra money left over and still be successful. The strategy you're proposing, aiming to expand after you go up, is perilous, as not only will you need to increase your payroll significantly in most cases to remain competitive, but you'd also have to find a way to expand the arena and to do all of this with a lower revenue base than your league competitors.

The way I've always thought about it is that since the seats are a fixed, one-time cost, it's easier to go ahead and get them earlier than later, within reason (i.e., there's no point to build up to a 20k arena while in IV).


Great points! Also, you get a promotion bonus when you promote, so it's easier to sell out seats and charge the highest prices possible following a promotion...so if you wait to add these seats until after your promotion, you are leaving money sitting on the table.

Also, As hrudey pointed out, it only becomes increasingly difficult to do things like Arena projects the higher you go in the game. I always tell people, it will never get easier than your first few seasons in the game. At this point (for me) there is simply not enough money to go around to field a competitive team, and continue building my arena. I was on a very fast pace early in my career building my arena, but my team started overachieving, and I promoted too fast, and found myself spending money on my team to keep that going, and now it's darn near impossible to free up any kind money to finish off my arena without hurting my performance on the court.

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