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265252.13 in reply to 265252.12
Date: 2/16/2015 3:32:16 PM
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So a newbie starts in Div V or maybe Div IV. Do we tell newbie managers that they should stay in that division as long as it takes to do these things? Should we? Should we tell them not to promote, not to move up and play against human managers?


What's the point in promoting only to get their ass kicked and relegated back down? Capping an all-star takes 3 seasons max, could even be serviceable for IV in a season, and in that one season that manager will be more prepared than when he started.

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Date: 2/16/2015 4:03:45 PM
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What's the point in promoting only to get their ass kicked and relegated back down?

Sorry if that happened to you. It didn't happen to me. It is also irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

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Date: 2/16/2015 4:15:01 PM
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Been in III longer than you, easy there.. but it is completely relevant to what you said.

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Date: 2/16/2015 7:08:05 PM
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box1- is your best defender on his best player for the tactic, this doesn't always mean his best scorer. If he has a balance team. I don't think it possible to win outright with it, its depending on offensive outputs and the right type defensive players., unless that 1guy is 40-50% of the points on the foes squad. also your own offense is good, I think you can win.

it possible to win with box-1, if you have strong offense too, .. As far as defense I think you need balance defensive team with a 1~2 defensive specialist on it and offensive not so much, not saying don't have any, but it not the real factor, it mostly all defense.. And the same coming from the bench..

As far skill ,as how much Skill, gs. stamina exp. to make it work I don't know. ^^ Thats all I know so far.. I know you need a strong balance defensive team 1~2 specialist. I think its a very, very, very expensive tactic or defensive players that are very diversed in defensive skill.. with A cookie cutter players for box1..

I don't know how much defensive to point transition( turnover to points.. steals etc) play a factor. I don't now how much this will happen. But this part that needs to be looked into IMo. Once someone look in to that. You can pretty much know what to have in players from the D side and also offensive tactic to play to be effective.

Just know 1 man wont get it done playing box 1.

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265252.18 in reply to 265252.12
Date: 2/16/2015 7:47:20 PM
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So a newbie starts in Div V or maybe Div IV. Do we tell newbie managers that they should stay in that division as long as it takes to do these things? Should we? Should we tell them not to promote, not to move up and play against human managers?
On this I completely agree. Sometimes Manon and others lose themselves in some bucolic idea of online gaming that does not exist. Nobody who's planning to compete will train players who can't help him compete at the next level. If you use Manon's logic, you're fine training role player or 6th man potential if you're in D5 and you should sell your HoF potential draftee because a HoF will not help you more than a role player or 6th man in D5, D4, D3 ecc ecc.

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Date: 2/16/2015 7:57:08 PM
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I know exactly what your gonna find =) And i know your opponents are going to hate it!
Planning on winning any league game through 3-2 and SB this season, Manon?

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Date: 2/16/2015 11:11:08 PM
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Planning on winning any league game through 3-2 and SB this season, Manon?


.....that's how I won most of my league games last season.


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265252.23 in reply to 265252.22
Date: 2/17/2015 5:29:29 AM
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What's with so many GMs tanking? I'd assume after the plethora of nice words you guys do love the game with its complexity and perks. Were we all wrong taking you guys at face value when you were telling us that? Sorry for the provocations, but it is seriously disappointing that people who are tanking are telling others how they should play the game instead of following their own advice and suggestions. Knowing the type, I wouldn't have put it past Nik0, of course, but I thought you knew better.

All I have said is to build players for the level your playing at.
This does not mean anything written like that. So if I want to promote in D1 in 2 seasons should I build players for D2 because that's my current league level? Similarly if you start in D5, should would you stop at players who can start for in D4 and D5? Is there a rational argument for it? Because all I'm hearing is, "well you can just put him on the bench, if you underestimated yourself and you make it to D3". A lower potential player is almost never a better choice, under any circumstance, except if you don't have money upfront. A higher potential pays dividends even if he's not trained perfectly (but trained nonetheless), a lower potential can help you as well, but when you don't have a use for him anymore or when you need money you'll sell him for far less profit. And that's even for players who have been trained very well.

So there you have it, from an investment perspective and value for money you have to realise you're giving bad advice, Manon, and the fact that in your reasoning you, as a D1 team, would be the beneficiary of the behaviour you are proposing is kind of suspicious. The only reason to buy a lower potential player is if you don't have enough money and you want to get someone to train.

I have a trainee in Utopia 6'2'' 19yo MVP, he is 8/4/8 9/8/6 3/6/4/7 8/7 (35872040), I bought him 2 weeks ago for 68k. Do you think 68k is not affordable?

From where I'm sitting, it seems you're saying: you lesser managers train starter-allstar potential, so we can buy cheap backup players, and leave the MVP+ to me and the other D1 managers. If you ever make it to D2 or D1 good luck overpaying for better players. If this is the case, I'm extremely disappointed. Otherwise, I invite you to provide some better argument on why people should go for lower potential players, than "you don't need them, because worse builds are achievable even with lower potential and better builds are for D1 teams".

Also please do look at the example player I posted and tell me at what level he will be a liability for your team.
In D3 as starter he would work ok, in D2 as a backup, too. And if he had more DR and less OD I would be happier. Now tell me what your estimate sale price for your 108TSP guy at 24, when you promote to D1, would be. Now compare that to a 108TSP with 11/6/8 12/12/9 16/15/14/5 MVP http://i.imgur.com/BtRTbVw.png who is still very much trainable and costs less than 80k in salary (perfectly normal for a starting D2 big man).

At any rate this guy is for sale: (34359550)
If you think a D2 team like you will be next season should go for the build you posted, then why not buying him and demonstrate your theory by example? This guy won't get there but close enough: you might sacrifice some OD for better primaries.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/17/2015 6:37:49 AM

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