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Whats in your opinion wellrounded in terms of ... lets say a PF

I did read carefully. How's this for well rounded? 13/9/12/12/14/12-15/15/14/12? Sure, he's only 128 TSP. However, if you're looking for 140+ TSP, then I'd agree you need a level 7 trainer and an 18 year old trainee with 65+ starting TSP.

It really comes down to what kind of player the OP wants to train. To make an elite NT Guard or Big, then he probably needs HoF potential. If he wants to make an SF, then yes, Superstar or MVP is more than enough. Also, if he wants to train to sell, then Allstar/PA is probably plenty. If he wants to train a good NBBA/D II player, then Superstar to MVP is probably fine too. For most of these players, a level 5 trainer is probably fine. I just commented that I've had success with a level 6. If he's just looking to cap an Allstar or PA player, he can probably get away with a level 4.

From his OP, it seems that he wants to get some truly elite players. If he's looking for SFs, go with MVP. If you want to make an elite guard or big, you might need an HoF. You really need to look at a training and potential calculator to figure it out. Depending on his final build goal, he can probably get away with something less than HoF.

edit: you're probably right that he should wait to buy a trainer. I don't really track the staff market too intensely, but I've found guys for cheap after the allstar break towards the start of playoffs

Last edited by tictacshack at 1/31/2015 2:52:21 PM

Both players are in the MVP range. Still, as I said, you can make a good SF with MVP, but you need HoF for a NT guard or big. 18/12/19/18/18/15-10/10/4/4 is at the very top end of MVP and imho, isn't good enough for the USA NT. To add the skills he needs to get beyond a boarderline NT player, he needs HoF potential.

I think we're on the same page now. Based on the number the OP was willing to spend, I assumed he was going for an NT potential player: MVP for SF, HoF for G/Big.

The numbers I put up for the NT guard was meant to be a minimum; ideally, I'd like to see 15+ on JR and PA. I agree that we'd like to see more JR on all players. I slightly disagree your JS point. I do see it as a salary sink, but we have seen some statistical analysis tjat JS is more important for open 3's and 2 pt JS and JR is important for contested 3's. I'm willing to bet there is more to it than that (e.g. from streching the court), and this is just basic stats. I'm not willing to advocate less than 15 JS on a guard other than a pure LI PG (from a NT/NBBA perspective), but L'd love to see how a 16/16 SG performs.

<soapbox> imo, the reason for LI dominance is still structural. There is only one skill (OD) that defends 4 skills (JS, JR, HA, PA) and 2 skills that defend 2 others (ID/SB v. DR & IS) I assume RB defends itself. The recent changes help, but I still believe that OD is easily the most important skill and will keep outside teams in check at the higher levels </soapbox>

My allstar guy is at 105 skills currently, at 24y,

10/10
12/12
12/9
12/10
9/9

I always used a level 3 coach, and this trainee had random starting skills.

I believe a good starting skillset is the key to training lower level potential player.

Maybe a superstar with good starting skills can be trained with level 3-4 coach.

MVP with good starting skills would be more expensive though, but could probably be trained with a 4-5 level trainer. Maybe get level 5 in first seasons, when training is faster, then switch to level 4 later. That would save tons of total training expenditures.

Anyway, my point is that I would rather spend more cash for a trainee with better starting skills, than hire expensive coaches over 8-10 seasons.