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327722.13 in reply to 327722.12
Date: 7/10/2025 11:52:04 PM
Pszczyna Team
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There is a discord, but it isnt active, and won't be until more managers are involved in the game first.

Imho the MAIN job of the NT manager and U21 manager is to get the community active. Results are secondary at first. Without getting more users active, the country has no future anyway. Results are secondary. They won't get better until there are more managers involved and training players.

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327722.14 in reply to 327722.13
Date: 7/11/2025 12:20:45 AM
RGUNS
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Isee, but I think an active discord can be a starting point(even with just few managers there). I agree with you that results are secondary cos it takes years and tons of resource to train a decent NT player. But what I am trying to say is its difficult to solely rely on NT manager or U21 manager to get the community active. But I believe if they get help from your guys, the chance of success will be higher. Ideally, we should need 4-5 teams to train the NT players if each team trains 3 canadian players with 6+6 trainer. Its difficult but possible.

My main point is we dont need to add the number of active managers or to regrow the number of players in canada (It helps but really difficult). But there are lots of counties with ard 150 active managers that hit top 10 in NT ranking. It might only requires 10-15 active managers to contribute for the NT team. It just requires a place for them to have share the ideas or experience, eg the new training method, meta builds, etc

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327722.15 in reply to 327722.11
Date: 7/11/2025 6:28:15 AM
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I'm still not sold on the forums... We don't really know how many read it. Look at Morwood thread last season, he barely got any reply despite something like 4 posts per game! But I agree it's a great way to nudge a few in the right direction by showing where their player stands and create some sort of competition.

And I don't know why it's like that, but I get the feeling that in Canada the main job of the coach IS to engage the community, like you said. Tactics are part of the game, but it's more of an end game, we're not yet at the level where we have to come up with very clever game plans to snatch important victories. When I was in charge the main goal was to get as far as possible in the consolation tournament to get HCA for the next America Cup and get a chance to do something in the semis before losing to the US in the finals

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327722.16 in reply to 327722.14
Date: 7/11/2025 6:32:56 AM
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The main issue here is that most guys that train NT players also compete in D1, it's hard to do that when you're training 3 players, even two before they are 28-29yo. We don't have many tanking teams dedicated to NT training, if any. I myself tried that multiple times in the past, but always get caught in the easy d2 promotion

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327722.17 in reply to 327722.5
Date: 7/11/2025 7:54:04 AM
Corntucky Mildcats
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I enjoy the ISO tactics. They have replaced patient for me the cast majority of the time. I enjoy testing them both in PU games with as few variables as possible.

I think they have flexibility but BOTH still need a good SG. You'd be surprised how many shots a SG will get running inside ISO. My theory is it has to do with getting a hot rock. Aka forcing a shot attempt late in the shot clock.

I also think a SF with high IS can exploit the tactic to a decent degree. Especially to counter the 3-2 meta. Opposing SF can have high ID, but many don't.

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Date: 7/11/2025 7:58:32 AM
Corntucky Mildcats
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My plan is to post private YouTube videos where I discuss the state of the NT and answer community questions.

Along with the usual BBmail weekly updates forums and discord stuff.

I also plan on encouraging a referral challenge. One must always be thinking long term/beyond their contract. The more users Canada has, the better.

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327722.19 in reply to 327722.15
Date: 7/11/2025 8:39:49 AM
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Probably not many, but as NT manager I used to get bb-mails from managers about their players, how they stack up against others, etc. So I simply replied that I am going to be posting the rankings on the forums.
BB-mail was used as a way to get people to the forums, and once they are there, and the activity rises because of it, it is kind of self-sustaining thing as it slowly drags more people in.

That's the issue imho with being Canada NT. We need somebody who will do much more than would normally be expected from the NT manager. THat's why I am not a candidate - don't have time for it all, but happy to help whoever is elected.
So for all candidates: if you aren't willing to go quite far and beyond what needs to be done in 'standard' NT job - please select a different country. I think youtube might be a bit of an overkill, unless you are an algorithmic wizard able to bring people from outside of the game, but that's the sort of enthusiasm and commitment we need overall.

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327722.21 in reply to 327722.19
Date: 7/11/2025 9:17:04 AM
Corntucky Mildcats
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I don't need YT to bring in anyone. I just like it as a more personal way to engage with the community. It's more enjoyable for users and weirdly less time intensive for me than bbmail spam.

There is this crux though. One I keep going back to.

Candidates all think they can do the best job. Good, fine. But once they hold the belt, they often try to prove to themselves they can, and sure they will get help from locals, who have helped others before. And sure, they may have an assistant even, who helps where and there.

But what I want to implement would be closer to a triumvirate.

3 managers all checking their egos at the door and working together. No, the work won't be exactly equal. That's impossible, but the right team can make it work, and by doing that, they can go far and beyond what one coach could.

And with 3, there's is never a split vote, on anything.

I already know what your thinking, "this won't work, there will be drama". But I am not interested in defeatists mindsets. Not in 2025. BB is where we all go to escape. I bring immaculate vibes with me when I enter, and you should too.

So I want every other candidate to know, I am willing to help you with whatever you need if you win. No job is too monotonous. I don't need my name on a page to know I put in work. The work is the reward.


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Date: 7/11/2025 10:14:52 AM
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The biggest trouble with that is that a big chunk of the work, scouting, can only be done by the coach. I've done that several times, scouting all canadian players available (and I mean all!). I takes a good week, but I still have spreadsheets from way back.
After the scouting bit, yes a trio of managers will definitely work, discussing game strategies, coming up with training plans and following up with managers... It helps having more than one set of eyes and different game experiences or ways of thinking. But that's not the most time-consuming part of the job. I don't think Canada ever had a "formal" coach team for either NT with clearly assigned roles, but I've been pretty involved in strategies and training discussions with the past 2 U21 coaches, so this teaming up naturally happens even though it's not visible or official

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