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it seems to me that I've only described what continuosly happen in BBGlobal. Take a look in every single thread of complaints and changes: several messages are deleted, some rightly but some other not. I'm not saying who is doing that and I have said no names..I think I've hitten a nerve, do you have a guilty conscience?
I'm only trying to explain what I think and what I see looking for improve every part of the game, from the communication (which is fundamental) to the GE.

My aim remotely had to do with ideologism, I'm sorry if I've hitten someone of you, but I wanted to clinch that maybe (in the right cases, not ever) you (GMs and Mods) might be more understanding.

Whatever it was a post addressed to Charles, thanks for the answer and continue to have fun with BB.

It is you who has not understood. Charles' reply to you had nothing at all to do with supporter features. You even quoted his words which say absolutely nothing about supporter features. It is clear that you are just venting and arguing for the sake of being blustery. Comes off as extremely childish.
Your comments about the GM situation show that you have no experience at all with basic principles of management, which is fine, but you really think about what you berate before doing so. The developers would like to have some semblance of consistency from their GMs. This is a very difficult thing to do given the framework of a faceless pool of online personalities from which to choose. Finding a few reliable, active, capable people to do this volunteer job is difficult enough for a management team that is already pressed for time and resources. The rapid addition of a slew of new, untrained people would undoubtedly cause more problems than it would alleviate. Simply put, they are looking for quality over quantity. If you do not understand this, or continue to question its validity, that is up to you.
As for your last point. I just don't agree. At least not that it will make a major difference in your community. Has the amount of activity in the Italian forums dropped radically? Yesterday there were 32 signups in Italy. That seems like a thriving community to me.

And Steve Karenn, I put that part about the price cutoff simply as a means of filtering the list. Not necessary at all, but the current ad system on your "manage my team" page is also filtered by price. You can always go to the TL to look for players who cost more than you have. I have used the transfer ads about four times in 8 seasons, and have used the scrimmage ads once, and have always managed to buy players and get scrimmages (76 flags and counting!) so I don't really buy your "woe is me" tale of not being able to get players or scrimmages without the ads.

The one part of all of this complaint that I definitely agree with is the placement of the ads in the community section. The transfer ad link should be on the TL page and the scrimmage ad link should be on the scrimmages page. At least in my opinion.

Last edited by somdetsfinest at 2/9/2010 9:54:35 PM

And Steve Karenn, I put that part about the price cutoff simply as a means of filtering the list. Not necessary at all, but the current ad system on your "manage my team" page is also filtered by price. You can always go to the TL to look for players who cost more than you have. I have used the transfer ads about four times in 8 seasons, and have used the scrimmage ads once, and have always managed to buy players and get scrimmages (76 flags and counting!) so I don't really buy your "woe is me" tale of not being able to get players or scrimmages without the ads.

The one part of all of this complaint that I definitely agree with is the placement of the ads in the community section. The transfer ad link should be on the TL page and the scrimmage ad link should be on the scrimmages page. At least in my opinion.

You are in a different situation from a great part of the users of the world.You are a national champion in a small and few competitive country,you started from an high division,now and in the past you can win easily again your adversaries and you can have great incomes for the palaece and great sum of money to spend on the market.You need only great players,with a minimum of skills level and when you made a research on TL,you have to choose between few players.I had to fight against over 5000 user,I had to start from 5th division,with many many users which started from a level above than the mine.I can lose a game potentially every week if I fail the tactic,so my fans don't go always to the palace,and it's difficult to have many money.I had to improve my team almost only by training,and searching some ocasion to sell my players on the market with an high price and and buying with low prices,searching between a lot of players with similar levels who can really be the better for me,pehaps searching the details between guards with the same level of JS-Jr who has a slighlty better level in IS,PAs or Free throws
Transfer ads was a great way to optimize my time on the market,and was extremely easy and fast to use,why I should renounce to it or to a similar system?

And they go again...seriously go into other thread "advantage to smaller countrys" and complain there..
Transfer ads are only good for U21/NT prospects buying...If you want to buy good players at low price transfer ads are worst place to look..
IMHO this is gone to principle discussion not like someone is in deadly need of those ads...
I think are more important problems to solve:
Like match ratings not giving real info...etc..

I think we must try to solve every problem of the game.And for a part of the worldwide community(it's not referred only to Italiy),this is a rilevant problem,maybe not the most rilevant,but easy to solve taking back the old system or something similar(the actual ads system has to complete the old system that worked very well)

And again I don't understand why do you think that transfer threads are only good for U21/Nt prospects.For my experience,young players(18-19 years old) with the possibilty to enter in the national teams are the more expensive for cost/efficiency level,If i want to spend less money I could buy players with the same level skills but less potential exactly from transfer threads.You play in this game from less than a month,I think you have very few experience in the game,so I would to ask you how do you can know well about many thing in this game,as market dynamics

I compare my situation with the situation of the prathet thai gm,because i want to explain why we need these threads,while he hasn't any interest for having it.Surely I had to underlined the adavntages he has in general,because seeing at the differences about the situation from a little part of the users and the major part of the users,help to understand what are the different needs about this game

A last thing:how do you intepret match ratings nowadays?


Last edited by Steve Karenn at 2/10/2010 7:14:37 AM

I am aware of the differences in our situations. You forgot to add that 70% of the players on the TL are available when I am asleep.
I just don't agree that you cannot find what your are looking for without ads. Perhaps you aren't clear on how to use the TL search filters. My suggestion about ads was an attempt to solve a problem. Your reply to me was a nitpick, failing to suggest any improvement. Then I replied to you about why I added the price thing and the truth came out. You feel disadvantaged. Once again it comes not to you making a viable suggestion but just more banging your head against a wall about a return to a system that is not going to happen.

I was trying to be helpful and productive. I apologize for that. I won't bother you again.

I just don't agree that you cannot find what your are looking for without ads. Perhaps you aren't clear on how to use the TL search filters. My suggestion about ads was an attempt to solve a problem. Your reply to me was a nitpick, failing to suggest any improvement. Then I replied to you about why I added the price thing and the truth came out. You feel disadvantaged. Once again it comes not to you making a viable suggestion but just more banging your head against a wall about a return to a system that is not going to happen.

I observed a question about your suggestion,that you don't answer me.
I'll repeat again:Why I should nott see the players on transfer market,without losing a great amount of time,if I have immediatley that sum of money available?This is not an unexistent problem
A medium user of a great country in BB,doesn't have a great sum of money immediately available.He can program to sell a player for buying another stronger.But he can also see an occasion on the market,and decide in a moment to sell a own player to buy another.The observation I made on your proposal,was that,if realized as you think,we should not find these occasions on the market,because we should not see them,if we doesn't spend many hours on TL
And you answered only that I could spend my time on TL estabilishng the price that I want to spend for a player.But maybe you don't understand the point of my intervention.
With the system that you suggest,you gave great advantages to who has the possibility to accumulate great amount of money in short time.You will not compete with me on the market,and you don't need the transfer ads,because you have the strenght for your position to buy the best players,selling fastly and with profit your player.But your countrymates,and who is in the same structural situation of yor countrymates,needs the same players that could interest me.But they could see them on market,I could not do it.
I have nothnig against you,I noted a kind of injustice in your proposal and I wrote it on the forum.And I find again that the old system was better,and that the new system can be supplementary,but cannot substitute it

If you think that these thought are unproductive,sorry for that.But that's my thought

P.S. IF an user A has more money that a user B,also if he's asleep when the auction ends,he however will win the auction.Are you feel disadvantaged about the market?

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 2/10/2010 9:38:07 AM

No- My response was that my price filter suggestion was not necessary, just something that is already done on the manage my team page transfer ads, and a possible way to shorten a list of one-line transfer ads.
Also, it takes less than one minute to use the transfer list filters, which will give you a player filtered to age, position, potential, salary, and 4 skills. If you can't program around that, I don't know what to tell you. This system is about 1000 times more efficient and time-saving than transfer ads, and it contains all players, not just those advertised by their owners.

By great country do you mean large? In English those words are not direct synonyms, although great can mean large for sure. I suppose if I was playing this game to make huge profits I could do what you say maybe. I am only playing it to have a good time and not to exploit any "advantage" you might think I have. I also have to sell players in order to improve my team. Ithink that is a common misconception- that teams like mine are sitting on tens of millions of dollars. In order to improve my team I can either sell one of my players or save for about 20 weeks. I would like to get my team salary up to where my balance is just barely in the black, but I don't have the money to do so. I could waste money on staff that I don't need or seats that I can't sell, but why would I do that?
Your ps makes very little sense to me. I tried to get what you were trying to say but I couldn't. The first sentence is not necessarily true and the second sentence baffled me.

Sorry,but again you don't understand what I'm trying to say.
For using the TL filters I need to have an idea of what I'm searching;I need to have the idea to change my roster in a certain way.But not always I need to search players,I could have a project for developing my team that don't need to change any player of my roster immediately.But in this period of time,there could be some good occasions on the market to improve my roster,or to buying some new young players.I would like a system that allowed me to know these situations,without staying 24h/day on TL,to decide if changing my strategy.
And the old transfer threads worked better than the new Ads system,which is filted by price(and often a user hasn't,at that moment,the money to buy some player who can improve his team),and force me to see the page of the player,because doesn't show me all the skills,but only the skills with the higher level,that could be useless for what I'm searching
There are also some other problems that I said previously in other posts,and that you can read(for example you can see only two Ads in a page,and you have to refresh continuously the page for looking a good number of players)

Surely I know that with the various transfer threads I cannot wiev all the players on the market,but it was a fastly system,that allowed me to look at the market also if I don't have a specific need in that moment, also only for looking what is the general market dynamics for improving the mechanisms of the my future trades


I understand that you don't need these systems,but you are in a particular situation even compared to your countrymates,because you is the strongest team in your country.And every country has different situations from the other.There are many people who have different needs.Keep open two threads in a forum doesn't change the game or doesn't give some different rights from the other people,especially if these threads are open in some countries because it works well in,and are closed in some other countries because it works bad in(wasn't a request of some Mod and Gms to close it because of too much work to moderate it.Where all this work isn't requested,why it should be closed,in evry country which would and can have it?)


About the advantages of the countries of smaller country,I could write very much,but is another problem.I wrote about it here because however is related to the market,and this is reflected also in the advertisement systems of the market

I hope you undertsand now my point,you can or not agree with it,but what you answered me before,was not related to what I asked.I hope you understand why I prefer the old system,I'm not making a battle of principles,but I'm making a battle to improve the game,as the game should be in my mind

I don't know how to explains me better :D

The Italian Mods and GMs who kept this thread up after they were asked to take it down have either been fined, banned, or stripped of their moderating/GMing powers, right?

Because if I just went and repeatedly posted transfer add threads for months after being asked to take it down then I am pretty sure I would have had some punishment levied against me so I assume the same will happen to the folks responsible for this, too.